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Measuring "The Bone Temple" Starting at the Taint
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We rate 28 Years Later: The Bone Temple with our three-part system, then chase the few moments where the movie hints at something bigger than blood and spectacle. The conversation runs from acting, cinematography, and diegetic music to cult coercion, warped perception, and why “safety” can be a trap in an isolated world.
• rating Bone Temple across acting, cinematography, soundtrack, story, and rewatchability at 3.5/5
• comparing Bone Temple to 28 Years Later and the earlier 28 films
• Samson’s shift from terror to sympathy through performance and camera language
• why the visuals feel competent but less daring
• how diegetic music and the record collection shape tone
• cult structure, radicalization, and coerced choices posing as free will
• isolation, trauma, and perception as the real horror engine
• what conditional safety looks like in groups and relationships
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Cold Open Movie Name Confusion
SPEAKER_00Let's get templed. Get templed at the old bug.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I should have I didn't realize that uh Chi Lewis Perry's character is Alpha Samson. It's not just Samson, it's Alpha Samson. Alpha Samson.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so I messed up even put my name down today. I should have I should have emphasized on the Alpha.
SPEAKER_02Well, his name should be Samson Alpha because I mean you don't usually call someone by their last name. You call them by their first name. Just like all the Jimmies. They're all called Jimmy, not Ink or whatever. Yeah, yeah. They're all Jimmy. Jimmy, Jimmy Jimmy. Jimima? You know? Yeah, yeah. Jemima. That's right.
SPEAKER_00I uh kept I that kind of threw me off because I'm sitting there watching the subtitles because we didn't see this one in theaters, you know. And I'm like, wait, she's what, Jamima? She's Jemima?
SPEAKER_02The first 20 minutes of the movie, Cam fucking kept saying that one of the one of their names was Fingers. I was like, no, I think that's like them, like as a group. Yeah. And then finally it like it was like more, it was like more pronounced that it's like, yeah, the fingers. Uh I was like, yeah, I told you. It's not there. No one's named for they're all Jimmy. It's Jimmy. It's James and J4, you know. That's like a uh that's like a um like an Oliver Twist era like name Jimmy Fingers. Or or or a mob, a mob name. Yeah, I said Jimmy Fingers. Yeah, just go ahead and send Jimmy Fingers down there, he'll take care of them.
SPEAKER_03It's like a guy who's always just cutting off people's fingers to fucking get business done.
Show Intro And What We Cover
SPEAKER_00For those of you folks at home are trying to figure out what the fuck is going on. Welcome to High and Dry Podcast. I'm your host, Ryan Barron North. With me as always, James Carslin, Luke.
SPEAKER_02Hey oh uh I'm what they call living the dream.
SPEAKER_00Yeah? Surviving Livita Loki. Surviving.
SPEAKER_02That's even better than the dream, I would say.
SPEAKER_00Very nice. Well, for you, Sir Ryan. Oh, yeah, I'm just I'm excited. Like I look forward to this. This is this is nice, especially uh after fucking Mondays. Yeah, Mondays. I agree.
SPEAKER_02It does make it, it's like kind of that one thing that's like the light at the end of the tunnel on a Monday.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. So that's that's really nice. And for those of you listening the first time, uh, like I said, Hind Dry Podcast, we're the only podcast keeping alive the fandom of two guys, a girl, and a pizza place.
SPEAKER_02Oh, oh, that's one I actually have watched. That was Ryan Reynolds. Yeah, and it's back in the day. That was on ABC. That was uh that was ABC Can't Miss TV.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Can't miss that one. I I myself never had the pleasure. You've never had the pleasure? No, can't say I have.
SPEAKER_02It was um I think I'm am I connected? Because I disconnected for you good, man. Okay. I see I see your voice coming through on the recording. And that's I just wanted to make I like full disc like internet dropped disconnected for for a minute. So I just wanted to make sure that we weren't gonna go on a long recording for no fucking reasons.
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, uh you're uh you're in Florida. Iran might have finally uh struck. Got got the tower.
SPEAKER_02No, yes, not now, not during the recording. Not during the recording, guys.
SPEAKER_00Come on. Uh liberate us after.
SPEAKER_02So I can tell you though, two guys growing a pizza place. I I can't imagine that aged well. Even back then, I remember a lot of like it was that it was that there's a woman in the room, and so every single comment is about how they want to fuck her and stuff, or women be or women be like, you know. Yeah, not great. Okay. Oh god.
SPEAKER_00I'm just looking at the picture of it, and that kind of that's kind of what I'm getting.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00That's what I yeah. Well, luckily, we're not actually gonna be talking about that. What we're gonna be talking about today is the new 28 years later film, The Bone Temple. Um we're gonna be discussing the film. Um, we're gonna be talking about uh Ralph Fines dripping in iodine, shirtless.
SPEAKER_02Can we talk about Ralph Fine's penis?
SPEAKER_00Of course.
SPEAKER_02Did Ralph Fines have his penis out in this one? Hell yes, he did. I missed it. And we looked it up. It was real. It's his paper. Really? Wow.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was because Samson was using a uh prosthetic.
SPEAKER_02Prosthetic, yeah. No, no. Ralph, Ralph said, I'll show you what I got, and I'm not gonna lie. I'm not I'm not disappointed.
SPEAKER_01You know, I missed Samsung.
SPEAKER_02He's no he's no Samson, but you know, who can be, right?
Drinks Toasts And Bitter Absinthe
SPEAKER_00None of us thought. Um, well, uh all this talk of penis, and I forgot what the fuck we're gonna be talking about. That's right. We are going to uh delve into this film. We're gonna break it down into a three-part method guaranteed to get you the biggest uh bang for your podcast buck. First, we're gonna rate this thing out of five, give you the definitive score that can never be argued once we put it down. Uh then we're going to dive onto the golden path and explore some of the deeper meanings behind this film. Uh we're gonna really get into which one was prosthetic, which one wasn't, so stay tuned. And uh finally, on that third part, we are going to insert ourselves, drugs, alcohol, and our own penises, real or prosthetic, into the film. And what makes it so special and fun is insert it to be doing it drunk and high. Uh so, fellas, uh, what are you uh imbibing this week?
SPEAKER_02Watermelone moonshine. For real? Yeah, that's what it says. No, it's it's a strain.
SPEAKER_00It's not a uh oh, okay, okay, all right. I thought, wow, you're really switching it up. Okay, all right. I'm getting full.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm gonna do some uh CBD hemp mixed with 300 milligrams of lithium.
SPEAKER_00Oh, that sounds nice. Well, and I will be joining you with this special little guy right here. This is ball jar absinthe. I just strained it myself. Uh no, I did not add any sugar. It's too bad. Yeah, I should have added that because I could already smell. This is bitter. This is gonna be bitter.
unknownYep.
SPEAKER_00Gross, yucky. I purchased some uh I was at a Renaissance fair back in the summer, and I purchased some herbs. How dare you!
SPEAKER_02I got invited to a rent fair this month. Really? That's cool.
SPEAKER_00Well, it's it's been distilling now for the past two months and just collecting in this jar of rum. So it's rum.
SPEAKER_02Don't die from alcohol poisoning. Or I guess whatever other poisoning that comes from stilling. I don't know. There's something, there's some kind of thing.
SPEAKER_00This is this hits like a truck. Good god. Alright, so line them up, boys. It's time for the first toast, first shot, first hit. This one goes out to some of our newest listeners. We have some really, really creative VPNs this time around. Okay, we got uh uh Saint Monde, Val de Marne, we got Shannon Clair, we got a lot of people in France, I guess. Bayak Mek Istanbul. Okay, Chavincente Sampolo, and Sarja Sarja. And of course, Fitchburg, Wisconsin.
SPEAKER_02Okay, finally. One that I'm aware of. Good old Fitchburg, been there many times, of course. Obviously. No, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Well, here's to you, Fitchberg. Um cheers. Fuck, here we go. Oh my god. That's bitter. Holy shit.
SPEAKER_02You would think it's you'd think it's made from cheap's wool, but no. That's not the case.
SPEAKER_00The uh the 12-story sweater.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god. That was that was foul. That was a foul. All right, so it's time for yummy. Yeah, our second shot. Second hit. Oh, Jesus Christ. Uh this one goes out to those jackasses at the Renfair who sold me that pouch of herbs that I just drinked.
SPEAKER_02What are they doing now? I wonder. I took my 50 bucks and laughing to the bank.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god. Oh, it is so bitter. It is so bitter. All right, and this final toast, final shot, final hit. Someone goes out to our movie this week. Ladies and gentlemen, 28 years later, the bone temple.
SPEAKER_02The bone temple.
SPEAKER_03Cheers.
SPEAKER_00So for that third uh shot right there, I switched over to uh That's a good call, probably. I switched over to just knob Creek, 100 horsepower. And I gotta say, it was so much smoother.
SPEAKER_02It uh I bet it tastes like water after drinking uh real poison. Oh my god. You're telling me that a commercial alcohol test tastes better than bathroom still whiskey. Oh my god. I mean, I'm this is a profound statement, if you ask me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we're learning new stuff every week here.
SPEAKER_02Save that for the golden path, though.
The Three Part Review Method
SPEAKER_00Yes. Alright, so all right, fellas, let's rate this thing. So, Bone Temple. Ralph Fiennes. No prosthetic. What are we rateing it? Well, I had to Google it. Hostage Fit for a Kaiser.
SPEAKER_02I had to Google it because I missed it originally. But uh he's but he's had his dick out a couple times. Uh and it's a nice piece. Who? Ralph? It's got a spell. Ralph, yeah, yeah, I Googled Ralph Fine's penis and uh he's had it out a few times and it looks pretty good. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, so I did a I did a full 28 run to get ready for this one. And I think it was an homage to Killian Murphy who had his penis. Yeah, in the very first one, before it was before it was even cool to have your penis out, really.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. It was out really early in that movie. Yeah, yeah. It was out very you know, you they were like, hey, penis. Second scene of the movie, they were like, here's Killian Murphy's penis. And we were all like, well things.
SPEAKER_00That's before he was anybody.
SPEAKER_02That was just yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, here's just some guys, here's some Irishman's cock and joy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Danny Boyle was like Danny Boyle was like, hey man, you got a nice piece. We should put that on camera.
unknownTake care.
SPEAKER_00Throw that out there.
SPEAKER_02I'll tell you, kid. Like, all right, yeah, okay. You might want to trim you might want to trim the bush down a little bit. It was like three feet, it was a three-foot diameter just popping out. I was like, you gotta take it down a little bit, you you Irish. You can't trim it a little. Come on.
Ryan Rates Acting Story And Sound
SPEAKER_00Philistine. So all right. So let's write this bad boy. Who who wants to start? I want you to start. All right. Well, I want to hear your thoughts. So, um, yeah, for those of you uh who haven't seen it yet, it's available on Netflix right now. And uh, we finally had a chance to get this far. I I remember we saw I had to look it up. We actually saw the last one in theaters, uh, and this podcast rated it a four out of five. Uh the previous. And this one, I felt, uh kept the tradition going. I really enjoyed this film. I I liked a lot of it. I loved uh how they managed to continue building this world. I I liked that they took out what's his fucking name. Uh uh Corpsefucker. Yes.
SPEAKER_02Uh Aaron Taylor Johnson. Aaron Taylor Johnson.
SPEAKER_00ATJ, yeah. They took out ATJ. And uh so I I was pretty happy on their own. I I thought the big thing for me, because I I like I said I did the 28 run and I saw the second one where fucking Hollywood got their hands on something that was successful and just run ran it into the ground, forgetting that a successful zombie, a successful horror movie of any kind, the horror is the setting, not the plot, you know. And I was happy to see that this continued to figure out how it actually should be. It's not just a zombie thrill ride. There's a story here, there's a human element, and I thought it was portrayed excellently. Um, so acting. I I everyone brought it. I mean, there are there were some ridiculous roles, but they were on they were on purpose and they were not out of place. Um, I I think a lot of people, especially in the last one, were giving the cult shit. And it's like they're drawing from real-world examples. This cult is not anything that hasn't existed in real life. This is not a wild concept at all. Right. And I thought all the the cultists were really good.
SPEAKER_02Um one thing I want to mention when you talk when you're talking about the cultists, is one thing we missed last time is that it was a direct reference to Jimmy Savile, which is something that was pointed out to me. And it really sucks because I I uh I knew about Jimmy Savile and for and just did not put the pieces together. Jimmy Savile was like uh a very prominent uh children's television uh personality and charitable giver, and also turned out to be a prolific pedophile. Uh and and it's something it was like it's like uh it was like someone's uh you know star status turned against them almost like Michael Jackson, where it was like, you know, someone was like the biggest thing in the world, and then all of a sudden you learned they were a real piece of shit, you know. So just tossing that out there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. No, and like the tracksuits are obviously a Jonestown reference, and like the not nothing. And Jimmy Savile, he wore specifically those kind. Like there's a lot of like, and everyone gave it shit that is like it's weird, and well, yeah, it is weird, it's a cult. But what you guys don't understand is that uh humans get into cults really fucking easily.
SPEAKER_02And I bet it's even fucking easier during a zombie apocalypse when there's so little to rely on, there's so little structure in in this kind of world. And unfortunately, cults have structure. Are they good structure? Are they good good ideologies, whatever that's here? Sounds like golden path stuff.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Well, yeah, we we could talk about what cults uh offer your average asshole in the next section. Uh so acting on this one, uh, you know, finds amazing. Samson, I thought was great.
SPEAKER_02Um I really liked so I liked his acting particularly because of his ability to like, I don't know, just his he really that him kind of getting more cognitive thought. It really, I really it would like with those camera shots on his face, that did it so well. And I don't know how he did it, but I was like, look, and obviously like him them clearing up his eyes around stuff as part of it, but like I don't know, just like he did a good job of just like slowly doing it. And I was impressed. I was like, yeah, as so such a simple character, acted very well.
SPEAKER_00Well, it was wild watching 28 years later and then jumping to Bone Temple and being terrified of Samson to rooting for Samson, right? Yeah, I agree. And that moment where he goes, I'm sorry, I don't have a ticket. I was like, What?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. I literally slammed over to Cam. I was like, holy shit!
SPEAKER_00Like I I was out of my chair. Yeah. And so uh acting on this one, uh I'm gonna give a 4.5. Acting, I'm gonna give a 4.5. Um there's just one actor in particular I felt it wasn't their fault. Uh they need a little more experience, but uh, I'm not gonna harp too hard on them. Ralph Fines, it's okay. He'll uh he'll get there. He'll get there one day. One day. I hear he's actually gonna be uh the next Grinch this year, so I'm excited for that. Um we should see his penis in that as well. So the Grinch ruined Christmas. Yes. Um, it's called the helicopter. Um, so just splattering iodine everywhere. But um cinematography, I wanted to see it a little more closely related to 28 years later. I felt the cinematography on 28 years later was really, really solid. And this one, it seems like they sort of cave to pressure from our lowest common denominator film watchers, um, high and dry podcast listeners, and uh didn't really do anything new, didn't didn't try and do anything exciting or to push anything. Um, so I will take that down a little bit. I'm gonna bring that to a 3.5.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it was just it was a different director. I think that's an important part, is that it wasn't the same director, so different lens.
SPEAKER_03I also feel like the the focus really just wasn't the cinematography, um, which like it was very competent and good, but it wasn't necessarily focus of the of the film.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, right. I I get what you're saying comes, I a hundred percent like agree.
SPEAKER_03I get what you're saying.
SPEAKER_00Uh score soundtrack, I I really enjoyed. I have been a fan of the 28 Days Later theme um Building Tension song. They used it a bunch in 28 Days Later, and then I noticed in this one it was missing until the end before it came back, and I was like, yes, and yeah, um, and they they gave him his theme song, and so um some of the other song No, I'm not I'm not even gonna say that. Uh I I reserve high ratings for like Indiana Jones. You hear it, and you're like, oh shit, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, you hear it. Oh shit, Jurassic Park, except for the latest one where there was a keyboard for some reason. Um this one I'm going to give uh soundtrack a 4.5.
SPEAKER_02Wow.
SPEAKER_00This is the Iron Maiden that did it for you. Yes.
SPEAKER_02No, it was the one. I did I did enjoy like just his record collection. I thought that was like a fun part of the soundtrack within this movie. Um diagenic music is what that's called, where the music within the piece of media is also the soundtrack to the media. Oh, really? Oh, okay. Yeah, I like I don't mind that. If done well, right? Like it can be annoying where it's just like they're just throwing fucking songs randomly. I don't know. It was even written into the story. I misspoke. Diagetic sound. Diagetic. But yeah, very, very cool.
SPEAKER_00Um, story and plot. Um, I really enjoyed. I I felt like they were building Jimmy in this cult to be the arcing villain. So I felt it was sort of interesting that they just sliced him off because we still have one more movie, and I'm wondering now what the key of the third one's gonna be. I guess it's gonna have something to do with Samson, I'm assuming.
SPEAKER_02Um I I think the key of it is gonna well, I guess this is more golden path. Anyway, you focus on this. We'll focus on this movie first, then we'll talk about it.
SPEAKER_00Like I felt that some things were rushed, some things were just perfect. Um, obviously, Ray Fines and uh his situation and story. I I really enjoyed his time with Samson and all that kind of stuff. Um, that was fantastic. The cult seems sort of like it was missing some elements of it. It was yeah. So I'm gonna give Storyplot a four and rewatchability. I will eventually watch this again. I like I'll I'll pr I'll do another twenty eight years. Later, run just a 28 run when the next one comes out. And when anyone asks me, like, hey, what's a good zombie series? Well, Night of Living Dead and fucking 28 years later. So uh uh rewatchability, I'm gonna give it uh 3.5. I'm not putting it on to go to bed, but um I will I will see you don't wanna you don't want to go to sleep to this movie that people get inflayed alive and shit. Just I'll be waiting for the next painter scene, and that's just gonna keep me up to go. Yeah, I get that.
SPEAKER_02You want to see the flop. I get I get it.
SPEAKER_00No, especially when Samson goes from loincloth to unveiled, you know, like anti-loincloth, yeah. Yeah, so yeah, there you go.
SPEAKER_02It got smaller as he got more um clarity. I don't know if you guys noticed that. It actually did. I actually wrote that down. More blood, more blood was going to his brain. So just saying, if you want a monster dick, get the virus. That's the key. You have to have the most virus. We also have to be the alpha. Yeah, that is that also is get dumb, have a big dick.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00I still love the 28 years, more like 28 inches. Yeah, oh my god.
SPEAKER_02Bro, that was fucking insane. That was the first I couldn't believe that when I first saw that movie. That was the scariest part of 28 years later, was freaking the penis reveal. I was oh my god.
SPEAKER_00Well, I felt terrible for uh Jimmy when he was uh reverse crucified. He was right at that level. Like, yeah, that could have been really bad for him.
SPEAKER_02He didn't even look from his eye from his viewpoint, though. He just looked at his face. Yeah. He missed out. That's what it should have been right there, was just cock shot. Missed opportunity. The cinematography could have gone up.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Oh well.
James On Schlock And Lost Profundity
SPEAKER_02James, do you want to do you want to go next? Sure, I'll go next. Uh for the acting, I thought everybody was pretty good. I don't feel that most people had a chance to flex though. I felt like uh I felt like we could have it felt a lot of the scenes because there was so much torture and stuff, a lot of it felt like schlock almost with like a focus on people going you know, instead of like giving them a chance to give us some like acting chops.
SPEAKER_00That's fair.
SPEAKER_02So I think for acting, I'm gonna go a four for cinematography. Yeah, I agree that none of the shots in this movie stood out more than more than shots from the original 28 weeks later or 28 years later, sorry. Uh I think that maybe there was I think I remember like one interesting shot, which is like um Tom, which is Andy Circus's kid, was the uh was the guy in the barn who uh who opted to knife fight, and he was looking up at one of the gym at Jim Jemima, Jimmy Ma uh and uh and she uh and she got hit in the back with the spike. But uh they really hung on that for a long time, and I don't know why. I feel like uh I feel like this is one of those times where you know sometimes we talk about how uh filmmakers uh tend to kind of like ape, I guess ape is the right word, you know, shots from other filmmakers without knowing what they're actually like trying to say with it. There's like a cool that's a cool cam shot. They're like yeah, yeah. They're going through the motion without the understanding of why that motion is happening. And uh I think that's what happened there because I didn't know what they were trying to say with hanging on that shot. So yeah, so that that kind of knocks it down for me, and I'm only gonna give it a 3.5. For score and soundtrack. Yeah, uh there I I liked the diegetic music. I think that was really nice. I like when uh I like when movies do that. I don't it 28 years later had some impressive diegetic mu sound with like the with the radio broadcasts in the background and stuff like that. It really stuck in your head and stuck with you and like the swelling like orchestral thing when when Spike like accepted death, you know, the uh you know that that we will all die and then that he had to let go and all that shit. I don't think this one had that. It had some neat parts and I liked them, but it just wasn't it just doesn't live up to the standard of of the first one. And I'm gonna give this one a 3.5 also, and it gets that 0.5 because the Iron Maiden thing was Iron Maiden uh Dance Off was pretty good. And then uh story plot trying to think, how how do I how do I feel about this? This is something I've been struggling with since I watched the movie. How do I actually feel about the plot of this one? I struggle we're we're we'll get to it in the golden path, but I struggle to find anything especially profound in this one, and I think it's more fun. Uh it's more just like a little bit of fun and a straightforward plot rather than the profundity of the first one. Um it's it's it's just a scary crew of like led a scary cult led by a psychopath who goes on a rampage and also Ralph Finds uh gets high with a zombie, and that's that's about it, you know? And uh it was fun, but it didn't make me think. Uh and so I'm gonna kind of I'm gonna give this one a uh three. And then I'll definitely re-watch it. I'll re-watch this at some point. I'll give it a three. I think that's very fair. I I mean I it was fun. I I enjoyed it. I thought it was fun. Um yeah, but it didn't leave me thinking or feeling uh, which you know the first one did leave me thinking and feeling like it tried to leave me considering thinking or feeling what's gonna happen next versus really like what just happened.
SPEAKER_03It's almost like it, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is a which is a really basic cliffhanger type plot structure where it's a series of things that happen and then what what's gonna happen next. Yeah, um, but the other but yeah, first one really made me like review and have to like sit with what had happened to like contemplate it.
SPEAKER_00The last one was really, really good.
Luke On Body Horror And Performances
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it really it was it was um high-minded. Yeah, and and this one was low-minded, but it was fun. Yeah, very fun. Well, that's mine. How about you, Luke? All right, last but not least. Um so overall I liked the movie. I remember like I I haven't watched 28 years later since we rated it, but I did remember really enjoying it. Like I remember having a bit like I really, really liking it. Um and honestly, I also remember kind of wanting more, which is crazy because it wasn't like I think it was like what two hours or something like that. Yeah, it's two hours, two ish hours. Yeah, um, yeah, hour 55. So two hours is a long movie, and for you to want more is is a crazy thing to say. But I kind of did. So I was glad that they came out with a sequel that was just like like it's right after. So I felt that this was like a continuation of the story we just watched. It was like almost the same movie, directed through a different lens, and I agree, not done as profoundly. It was like, oh, we're gonna continue the story and we're just gonna talk about the fun part of these killbill style um people. Well, that's what we kind of got the first time. They didn't end up being very killbill-y, it was just more torture and psycho-e and uh all that, but yeah, so I was like hostile almost, yeah, yeah. I I don't it was very that they're all their dynamic was very odd in general. Um but I did like the movie, like, and I thought the it was it was very fun, is a very good way to put it, it was a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_03I also think that the director was going for more body, like a lot more body horror and really going for gruesomeness, uh versus you know I mean that's that's an all the tool.
SPEAKER_02More than any kind of suspense throughout the state. Yeah, yeah. There's not really suspense ever, besides the last scene where like he's turning, like the camera's turn, and that was a good use of cinematography in that scene, is where like you know, it's you giving you the skylit view. You know something. There's no way it's panning over on a sky view like this without um building suspense, and it did a good job, and it you know, it got a jump out of it. Even though you knew it was coming, it gets a jump out of you. Um so you know, and I thought that was good. So acting I is probably one of the best parts of the movie. I thought everybody did very good. I was not a big fan of, and I thought he did a good job in 28 years later, but Spike Alfie. I don't know why.
SPEAKER_03I don't know if it was just like he just like he said didn't have his bone, but he didn't impress me in this one as much.
SPEAKER_00They didn't give him anything this time. I mean, the last movie it was just more profound. There was a lot more that they did.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I guess that's it. All this one was is him just kind of being scared, and I guess he did portray that like relatively well, but it just I don't know. He just wasn't at he stood out to me. I remember like being like, Dan, this kid is like very t like really good, and I didn't get that from him as much this time.
SPEAKER_03Uh but you know, like I said, I that could be a little bit with the with the story.
SPEAKER_02You're just scared the whole time. Yeah, yeah. That's uh and I also just the mirror the Kathy, the the wife of Tom, the one in the barn, the one who throws the hook. Yeah, she I don't know what like I had I I just she didn't impress me. She didn't have anything to do. She didn't have any lines, yeah. And again, that could just be writing, but it was just like, yeah, I just two characters, I suppose, that had more issue.
SPEAKER_03But I gave the acting uh four. So I should have messed up the calculator.
SPEAKER_02Cinematography boring is the I mean, not boring. It was very confident. Like there was always it was all it's always nice to see like the I love like a wide shot with a singular character like toward the center of the camera shot. Um that a couple times throughout finds with the bone, because they're trying to show that grandeur of what he's built. I feel like, and that's what she was trying to do.
SPEAKER_03Uh the director was trying to do through the through the cinematography to show some of that, but it just like eh, like other than that, like what did you oh.
SPEAKER_02I also did like uh the camera shots on Samson, like where it was clearly something was attached to him. I thought that was nice. It like it got calmer, so if it was like a lot more rattly when he was all like chaotic and his brain was cloudy, and like that that that camera shot was still a thing late in the movie, but it was still, and I thought that was cool. So, but again, like it just wasn't other than that, it didn't didn't do a lot for me. I gave it a 3.5. Yeah, I I think that's fair because we have to reward it being competent, right? Yeah, like it's being competent, even though it didn't blow you away because there's so many movies we all watch because they are just not competent. Because like a th, you know, and the point five is for those few extra things that I just kind of mentioned. It's like, okay, like you you clearly had like you did some some cool shots. So score soundtracks. So with my comment earlier that I very much enjoyed the soundtrack being inserted, I also thought it was like one-dimensional because I don't remember almost anything else besides just the songs that were inserted, which it's easy to that's like an easy out to me. It's kind of like, hey, here's songs we know you'll probably love. Um, it's written well into it, so it's you know, I think it's not like bad. However, it it it's a little lazy in that sense. Um but I I also gave it a three three five because I think it's still very fun. And the Iron Maiden scene was sick. Um and I just Ralph finds like singing throughout, I don't know, it was nice, like like even just hearing him say, Oh, what's the song he was singing to Samsung? The Rio Rio. Because it also starts like playing, and it was almost like it was being remembered. He was remembering it, kind of like it was kind of clicking in his brain like music, right?
SPEAKER_00I think it also fits with just like Ralphine's character's age and everything like that. That it wasn't wild for him to be listening to that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_02No, yeah, yeah, yeah. He probably would have had a crank fucking record player even if it was not the zombie apocalypse. Um this guy seems like an old school dude, but yeah, so uh 3.5 story plot. Um, I think there's holes in this story and plot, or not holes, but like then just some of it was done poorly. So, and I don't know if this is plot or effects or what like even so when that person was being burned alive, um I could tell it was a fire suit.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_02And I was kind of like, oh, like in that, like I don't know if what that what to take away, so unfortunately stories getting hit for it.
SPEAKER_03Um because I don't know how what photography maybe special effects, yeah. Um, but also like like we've kind of just talked about I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but it's a one-dimensional movie, and it's just a fun body horror style, just like just watch people getting fucked up and like like I mean, and I'm not gonna lie, so that first scene with that guy getting his like uh artery, yeah.
SPEAKER_02That was gruesome. I don't know what it and I even the Samson ripping that guy's spine out, not as bad. That scene of his like lay, I don't know what they did, it just looked so good. Like I think they it was something they failed to do with the rest of the movie was sitting on a consequence of what seems like a uh of a character being surprised by the brutal reality of the world. Yeah, and they sat they sat with a consequence for a second, and the guy slowly died and and was like, I don't what's happening? I'm afraid, you know, and so I'm not invincible either. Almost like his him be realizing he's not immortal almost like because that's how they almost act, and it's like cult, like you know Mental Mori motherfucker. He's so edgy. But yeah, but I also did I still liked like the the the the story of this like cult and this like kind of the them realizing that it this is a cult, like you know, so all of them kind of having at least a little doubt by the end for those who are live, like confused, because Ralph Fines finally kind of reveals who who uh Jimmy or Sir Lord Jimmy, sorry, like yeah, I can't just call him by his name like that. But yeah, so they they all kind of revealed, but yeah, I still really liked it. It was still fun, and I also like the connection between like I thought the story was even better with um Dr.
SPEAKER_03Ian Kelson and Samson. I thought that was like the more fun part of the story, in in my opinion. Yeah, the kill mill people are cool, I guess, but yeah, like I yeah.
SPEAKER_02I I I wanted a more of the love story between this doctor and the zombie he's treated because it was kind of just was giving me that, giving me that, and I liked it. It doesn't look like you had anything to say, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yes, yes, and especially with the last one having so much to say. Yeah. Um, and and I mean it looks like uh I'm just going through where we're standing as far as the the trilogy being capped off. There it was in question there for a moment just because Bone Temple underperformed against 28 Years.
SPEAKER_02I mean, rightly so. If people if people went to the theater and were like, actually it's not nearly as good. They were right, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, but it it does look like they are gonna continue, and we will get the third one.
SPEAKER_02So okay. Yeah. Um, but yeah, story plot I give a four. Because I I a whole, you know, and I know that's generous, I know, but I still didn't think. It's okay to be generous. I know, I know, but that's the part I liked about the the movie is I did like that's how captivating I did find that whole story. Like, I don't know, him kind of finding his humanity was like so fucking crazy. Like it was so crazy, like that was so much more compelling, and like you said, had something to say versus the rest, and it was that good to me that like I can almost that other stuff is just like all right, all right, shut the fuck up. You can forgive it, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Samson again, shut the fuck up. Yeah, okay, cool. You're gonna you're gonna peel their skin off. Cool beans, like Samson, please. Yeah, yeah. And one note I did want to say is Jimmy Inc., um, Aaron Kellyman. She is gorgeous because even as Jimmy, she looked pretty good. I'm like, how is this woman still hot? Like, she's wearing a fucking like butchered wig. She's got like cuts all over her face, she's got a fucking upside-down cross cut into her four.
SPEAKER_00I'm just glad someone else said it.
SPEAKER_02I'm just I'm just glad to say if you if you see her like outside that role, any pictures of her, she is like, oh, she's got crazy freckles, and her freckles are so hot. Yeah, she's got uh I'm looking at the cast and I'm just like cheetah. Beautiful. Yeah, she's so beautiful. Um, and I I that's what after seeing uh the movie, I remember kidding and I was like, I was do I love Jimmy? Do I do I love do I love Jimmy? I think I do. Like yeah, Jimmy Ink is the one for me. So um yeah, that was that was pretty funny. But yes, uh pretty generous, but I did really like that um side of the story. Uh and I kind of liked like their dynamic. Like the I I'm always a sucker for somebody who's like like the soft one for someone like being, you know what I mean? Like it was just like a nice gesture, which I like. Um and then rewatchability, I'll probably watch it again.
SPEAKER_03Definitely I'll but like might as well watch the first two before I watch the third one. Right. I also want to say that I didn't even know this was a horror movie.
SPEAKER_02So I just want you guys to be proud of me that I'm I'm really, really getting getting more brave. You know, I'm a brave boy. I'm so proud of you. I didn't even know, I just turned it on. I was just excited to watch Bone Temple, and that's a horror. I looked horror horror genre. I'm like, all right, that's that's that's progress. Because there was probably a time in my life where I just would never have watched this movie.
SPEAKER_00Right. It's it's high-end dry podcast, it's opening everyone up to a whole new world of this and that.
SPEAKER_02Well, so what is what is that uh I give it a 2.5 for rewatchability because it's not like something I'm gonna watch all the time. Okay. And that gives a grants 3.5 out of five. Which that's exactly where I feel it can land. It's definitely not as good as the first one, so it would never have been.
SPEAKER_00We gave the last one a four. This one got a three point five. Solid.
Final Score And Rotten Tomatoes Talk
SPEAKER_02I could even see it being 0.5 lower, but I trust the average. It's a 3-6, it's a 3-6, 3-6 roll score. So yeah, so it wasn't even a roundup, but yeah.
SPEAKER_00God damn it, we did it again, boys.
SPEAKER_02Jeez, we did do it again, and that's crap, and we we I will say we're we're kind of close time to be at night. Rotten Tomatoes had this one at 92%, which I think is very generous for that's just that's just the amount of people who said it was in the realm of positive. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. It's not like 92% good, it's like 92% of people said positive. Okay, that's actually I didn't realize that's how that's how Rotten Tomatoes like rating works.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Just like just like Fandango and everyone who isn't us, they are fucking useless.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so how you get our rating is just three fucking dudes who know what they're talking about, who know what other data. Who are as fucked up as a doctor and a zombie dance twirling around on a sunny day. Morphine can make you love anyone. Holy shit.
SPEAKER_00Cheers. Well, boys, let's get on to our uh golden path. High and dry does it again. Cheers.
Golden Path Drugs And Perception
SPEAKER_02Cheers to morphine. Yeah, I think that the I think that's a good place to kick off the golden path, is that this this movie touches on oh wait, did you introduce the the golden path? I should let you do that first.
SPEAKER_00Well, hey everyone, welcome to the golden path. Uh it's time now to dive into the deeper meaning behind this film. We're going to uh whip out the proverbial tape measures and really get the size of the dick measures.
SPEAKER_02We're really gonna get in there and measure all the way from the base, the bottom base, not the top. Well, that's the that's the question.
SPEAKER_00I I started the taint.
SPEAKER_02That that's where I was well that's generous.
SPEAKER_00Just like all of our ratings, we start at the taint. So all right. Well, so what are uh so James, what what did you have?
SPEAKER_02What did you have? I think that this movie does a thing that we have talked about on this pro. It's like the basis of our podcast is that having your perception modified by drugs, by th by things that modify your perception, gives you a perspective that you wouldn't otherwise have. It like expands Samson's mind. And it's like the whole premise of why we get drunk and high on this podcast expands our mind and expands the way we consider things.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Oh well, I mean, before this podcast, we like. The three of us like individually were killing four to five people a fortnight. Like and finally I was no drugs.
SPEAKER_02We live in a drugless world.
SPEAKER_00Moon. And I'm starting to open up. Well, then this next one, Samson's starting a podcast. He's he's starting a brocast.
SPEAKER_02He's going through the natural progression, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I imagine that's literally it's like it's like 28 years later Samson on a fucking podcast. Talking about my time as a zombie eating people.
SPEAKER_00So hey everyone, welcome to Samson's. Learned a lot. Let's let's take the morphine and dive into this next web episode.
SPEAKER_02So born to be emotionally vulnerable and truthful with yourself and others about how you perceive things. Thanks, Samsung. Another thing that I think this movie kind of shows as well, and we talked, I mentioned it earlier, but it's not just like Colt falling. It's kind of like, you know, in Kelly or Jimmy Inc., also known as she kind of says it where she's like, it's better than out there. And it's like she she kind of knew this was fucking not great. Like she had like an idea of that. Like she's like, okay, this is not okay. But she's like, it's still, it's like a survival, survival thing. And it's kind of, you know, sometimes the zombie apocalypse, and I think in today's age, can be romanticized. There's these motherfuckers out there who legitimately think like they would become some, you know, Rick from fucking the breaking bad and be a hero. And all it's not, that's not what it is. You're just gonna die. Yeah, this is a horrible, horrible world where like you can meet, you know, even good people who don't want to do these dark, dark things.
SPEAKER_03You know, they get obviously tasted blood if that's all they know, then what else are you gonna do?
SPEAKER_02But there's an there's an unreasonable number of people who, when surveyed, believed they could win against a bear in a one in a hand-to-hand fight. Like it's yeah, that's the pe people are so are so removed from the sh the struggles that they fantasize because of media. Media is an abstraction, it's a fantasy, and a lot of people because they a lot of people are moving away from real life experiences into fantasy experiences within comfort, the comfort of their own home. And so they have distorted views on it, which is really and it's really interesting because a lot of this movie focuses on how our a lot of our perceptions aren't trustworthy, especially when we're isolated. Like uh uh let's see, uh Samson for one, you know, he sees the uh the that hunter as a monster. We like see it through his eyes, and the survivors that's probably what all of them are seeing. That's probably what this disease is, is that it's like you lose your mind essentially, and then just see everything as scary and you have to attack. Like that's just it's almost like yeah, yeah. And the survivors see the ragers as monsters, and the cult sees everyone else as like as as prey, and everyone, you know, yeah, and it's it's like it's the idea that uh that our minds can be affected by a bunch of things like disease and trauma, isolation, social pressure, and all of these things can like fuck with our perceptions, but drugs, drugs fix that. Drugs fix it.
SPEAKER_00Fix it.
SPEAKER_02Opium, opium fixes it, folks. Get on it. Yeah, because I mean, even Dr. Dr. Kelson, Ian, he he kind of had given up on curing that. He was he his mind was lost until doing hair dude, doing morphine with Samson, just to be clear. He literally was just doing uh he was building the graveyard. I can't I don't know what that was. An ossuary. He was building the ossuary. That's all and he says, my mission's done, but it's only when he sees the light, kind of the the the cognitive thought in Samson that he's like, it like reached parts, and then he's like does a little morphine with him, and he's like, I think we can fucking cure this guy. Let's fucking try it. Yeah, and like yeah.
SPEAKER_00No, and that's why we look forward to this every morning is we're just gonna we're gonna take a little bit of this and that, we're gonna relax, we're gonna, you know, be with our community, and we're gonna fucking rip uh a new asshole in the clear, I shot to be clear, no one on hindry condones anything besides alcohol and a little THC.
SPEAKER_02Other than that, we since when I condone all of it. Do it all, folks. Get that crocodile in you. Take those, eat those bath salts, do whatever you gotta do.
SPEAKER_00And next season we're gonna be the only podcast that all three of us are gonna fucking hit an opium pipe.
SPEAKER_02Break into a dentist's office, steal some nitrous. Do what you gotta do to get high.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't know if you guys have been watching the news, but uh yeah, fucking just go ham, enjoy yourself.
Cult Coercion And Radicalization Mechanics
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, do whatever you gotta do. It's cool. Yeah, and and you know, I you know, there was something you said, Lou. You were you were talking about the cult before, and I kind of directed us away, but I want to take us back because you know, I you know, cult related, you know, like the the dissection of like what is it, radicalization into a cult. Like I that's something that I have been interested in and like consuming information and media about for a long time. So to me, it felt like really blatant. And it felt like it felt like it almost was like, is it worth it to discuss this? But you know, you brought the conversation in, and I was like, you know what? I think that perhaps a lot of people don't have that kind of exposure to like this talk about radicalization and stuff, and that was a big part of this movie was the radicalization of all these Jimmies. And you know, I think it's really important to mention that we were talking about that perception before and how it's easy it's easy to have your perception manipulated by different things, and cults take advantage of people who are isolated, yeah, and they they tell them that they're making choices, like when it's like here, you know, knife fight, you're making a choice to do this, you're making a choice to have a knife fight instead of get flayed or whatever. But choices aren't choices when they're coerced, yeah. You know, there's there's yeah, it's like get skinned alive or have a knife. It's like I yeah, I fucking guess I'll stab the geez. I don't want to get skinned alive. I can't tell you how many people out there in the world, and especially this country right now, are like, no, that was a choice when it's not. That's not a fucking choice. You're it's coercion, you're not given a choice, you're given two ultimatums.
SPEAKER_00But then with with just cults in general, it's compounded by the fact of what you were talking about earlier that the cult does give you something. It's either it's gonna give you meaning, it's gonna give you purpose, it's gonna give you answers, it's gonna give you, or it's gonna give you survival.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00And there is there there are basic human needs that each of these cults did provide historically. And every um uh piece of you know, like literature and research that I've looked into in cults, it's always starts like there's always a piece of it saying that like you think you're immune. Everyone thinks they're immune. You're not, you're not. There's not a single person in a cult who was like, I always thought I was gonna be in a cult. No, that's not how it works.
SPEAKER_02I'm sure there's a cut there's a few, there's a few people who are like, Man, I want to be in a cult so bad. I want to be a cultist. No one will think no cult will take them, though. None of them, no. But looking for the right cults.
SPEAKER_00I've been shopping around. I've been shopping around.
SPEAKER_02I tried 12 tribes of Israel and did the whole Heaven's Gate thing. They they couldn't stand to be with me for a week. So I moved on.
SPEAKER_00Well, I I just got I got a sixth sense for this thing. Like every time I get weird about it, I leave. FBI drops, uh, the punch gets served. I I got a sixth sense for when I needed to get the fuck out of a cult.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but that but you're totally right, is that these people these people don't think that they're gonna be part of the cult, but we're all like pre-programmed by our experiences, and we don't we don't get to choose the experiences that program us. We are just susceptible to having them leveraged. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00No, and they're all led by an individual who is charismatic and who has a gift for seeing in other people uh what they need. What they're looking for. What lever needs to be pulled?
SPEAKER_02Exactly. Yeah, and this is a world, and this movie is obviously a very easy way to show, you know, a cult is gonna there's probably a hell of cults in this kind of world because isolation is just one of the biggest things.
SPEAKER_00How many people you know, there's so many people that oh yeah, there's cults all over the place, and I I would dare you to find a society, a religion, anything like that, that didn't start with a fucking cult.
Conditional Safety And Cult Warning Signs
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And and I just wanna if if anybody out there is like, how can I know if I'm in a cult or if I'm being hurt by this social relationship, I want you to think, is the person providing me safety on conditions? If anybody is like holding you to conditions for for their safety and love and stuff, then they are already hurting you. That's not a place you want to be. So just go ahead and consider that.
SPEAKER_01Yep, yep, yep.
SPEAKER_00I mean, strong message for that one. Um I mean, that's true with like relationships. That that's yep, that's a very universal thing that you always need to be.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, there you can be a cult of two. Just you and you and that that leader. You can be a cult of two. Yeah, choose to that. Choose to that. Yeah, well, I think uh I think that's a good golden. Yeah, that's a good I think that was, yeah. I we've pulled a lot more out of it than I really thought. I thought that was gonna be very, very dull. So that was good.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that was very good. There was very we're we're profound. We are profound, and you know, listeners of this, um, you know, I know you're out there and you're feeling sort of empty, and you probably need three attractive figure heads uh measure beautiful figure heads that measure eight inches from the taint to uh give you all so generous that uh need to give you the I assume that loops around the like you have to it takes you under the ball set buttons a couple times. We the the measurements happen in a safe room with the trifecta, and only the trifecta can measure the trifecta, and you just it actually goes around the thigh once.
SPEAKER_01It goes back around.
Inserting Ourselves Into The Movie
SPEAKER_00You just have to believe us, all right? We're we're giving you safety, survival, meaning, and all that kind of stuff. You just gotta believe that I'm eight inches from the taint. So uh so it's time now to insert ourselves into this fucking thing. Uh fellows, how does it change with you? James, I assume you've killed yourself in the previous movie.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I'm almost certain that I died in the previous movie. But I can, you know, I can be in this movie. I died in twenty I died in one day later. Time said she'd kill herself one hour later. So yeah, and into the yeah, that's smart. Uh I guess I guess in this one, man, can I just do opium with with Ralph Fines and Samson? Can we just all do that? Okay, so that's so so we should just do a group. We're just all doing opium with Ralph Vines. It's the one time that we can do morphine with Ralph Fines and have no consequence. It actually helps us, it gives us more mental clarity and we need this opportunity.
SPEAKER_00I will also say, like, Ralph, Ralph Fines, his character was like just so benevolent and like so wise and like yeah, just do opium.
SPEAKER_02When you have that much time to sit with your own thoughts, you're gonna get wise. You know, you're gonna really understand that, like, man, life is just we just live and die.
SPEAKER_00Well, I feel like they showed the two options. Like, when you're alone, isolated, scared, you can become fucking Jimmy Crystal, or Ralph Fiennes, who is like uh a megalomaniac.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's honestly interesting. I wonder if that was purposeful. You do you either you're either all ego or no ego.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Which one do you want to be? You want to be Ralph Feinz or you want to be fucking Jimmy Crystal?
SPEAKER_02Jimmy. In the middle is Spike, who is scared and trying to figure things out.
SPEAKER_00He's gonna be he's trying to survive, but 99.9% of people.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, exactly. He's the survived.
SPEAKER_0099.99% of people are just gonna be zombies.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00That's true. Everyone else is gonna be Spike, and then you're gonna have a couple outliers.
SPEAKER_02Why did Spike not just go live with he and Kelson? Uh, I th he got freaked out, remember? He got freaked out and ran away when his mom was. Also, that's something that was interesting because I like they really gave the vibe that I and I don't know if this was personal and they just did they wanted us to think this, they kind of gave him that he was evil. I almost thought the baby that was dropped was like zombie baby or something and was gonna like infect the whole town, and that maybe that's still gonna happen, who knows? But like it kind of portrayed him more as like a hero in this movie, like it's you know, like a hero art style. See, and and I am excited to see the next one. Besides the point, I know that uh was long, but that was just interesting to uh notated it down. Well, but I think we all just want to do I mean, Ryan, I don't know about you, but I literally I was gonna say I want to be Samson and I want to have no repercussions for my addiction to morphine. And I'm sorry, I don't have a ticket. There's no morphine, the treatment ends. That's the problem.
SPEAKER_00I'm gonna be another alpha that beats your ass for not having a ticket. My my cognizance has come back enough to know that if you're on my fucking train, you need a ticket.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and uh, so that's gonna be me. Well, well, there you have it, folks. So that's all. That's all. Remember your ticket.
SPEAKER_02He should have been using all of that flesh. Like there was a lot of flesh in there. He should have been using that to grow weed or pop, or maybe poppies or something, so that he could get some more, so he could extract some more opium or something.
SPEAKER_00I feel like he was capable enough to come up with more yeah, clever ways. Yeah, yeah. You know, he knows what where opium comes from. Dude, as soon as you stop all your time on the bone temple, you could probably make some pretty good shit.
SPEAKER_02I'm gonna go ahead and look it up really quick. But yeah, seriously, you could make some good shit. You could at least grow cannabis, like cannabis is a weed, that should grow.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know, yeah. You know, uh a hit of something would continue the healing process.
SPEAKER_02Okay, I got an answer. Morphine is primarily produced by extracting and isolating it from the opium poppy, specifically from the plant's poppy straw.
SPEAKER_00He could have figured that out.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, well, there you go. Well, there's a little plot hole for you.
SPEAKER_02So where does it come from? Who knows?
Plot Hole Talk And Goodbye
SPEAKER_00Well, uh, thank you everyone for listening. I'm your host, Ryan Barron North, with me as always, James Croslin, Luke. Remember, catch us wherever podcasts are sold. Bye. Bye.
