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High, Dry, and HIM
Cameron Kade's journey from promising football recruit to something much darker explores how institutions exploit young athletes and the cult-like devotion sports can demand. The film examines the dangerous allure of fame, fortune, and the cost of tunnel vision when pursuing a dream at all costs.
• Marlon Wayans delivers a standout dramatic performance as Isaiah White, breaking from his usual comedic roles
• The film uses striking cinematography, including helmet-cam shots and x-ray sequences showing physical trauma
• Jim Jeffries makes a surprising appearance in a serious role that adds to the film's exploration of exploitation
• Tunnel vision serves as both visual technique and thematic element throughout the movie
• The cult-like aspects of sports culture are made explicit through ritualistic imagery and Satan worship metaphors
• Third act becomes increasingly chaotic, leaving some viewers with unresolved questions
• Commentary on how parents can sell away their children's futures through sports dreams
• Examination of CTE and physical toll of football adds real-world relevance to the horror elements
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Speaker 1:No one.
Speaker 3:Hey everybody, welcome to High and Dry Podcast. Well, hey everybody, welcome to high drive podcast. Um, the only podcast keeping alive the television show the wayans brothers, I felt it was, uh, it was a good one for this particular week there was, uh one episode of that show where marlin uh smokes, weed under peer pressure and then they have a big conversation about how that's throwing your life away Really. Yeah, that seems a little hypocritical, it's pretty funny.
Speaker 3:Well, this is Hydra Podcast. I'm your host, ryan Baron-North, with me, as always, james Crossland, luke. How are you guys doing this week? How are we doing?
Speaker 1:Good yeah, no complaints. No, nothing to rave about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's pretty much how I left feeling this one. So, for those of you joining us the first time, we're going to break. All right, we have an episode here we're going to be talking about the movie Him. All right, we have an episode here. We're going to be talking about the movie Him. Jordan Peele produced New out this weekend. We're going to do this in a three-part method. First, we're going to rate it. We're going to give you the definitive score out of five, way infinitely more accurate than both Rotten Tomatoes, especially.
Speaker 2:Fandango.
Speaker 3:I am DB. Those two guys who did movie reviewing were infinitely more accurate. It's definitive and it can't be argued. After that, we're going to jump onto the golden path and we're going to break down the deeper meanings behind this film, and then, finally, we're going to get ourselves drugs or alcohol into the movie, and what makes it so special and fun is that we're going to be doing it drunk and high.
Speaker 1:So, fellas, what are you smoking this week? I vote you go first this week, Sir Ryan. I want to hear what you're drinking first.
Speaker 3:Well, this weekend I picked up a bottle of Knob Creek single barrel select for our Missouriouri customers. It's 120 horsepower. Um, as you can see, I already put a decent dent into it yesterday and I'm gonna finish that off today for this film.
Speaker 1:So I'm excited sounds sounds uh gross if I'm 100 honest, but I'm happy for you this is a.
Speaker 3:It is a powerful beverage. Well, I'm doing a lemon pressure.
Speaker 1:You know just like our lead, cameron, cade, felt in this movie the pressure on him. Yes, I decided to have the lemon pressure this week.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:And I've got uh, animal crackers.
Speaker 2:Yummy, a good, a good movie time snack. Yeah, yeah, and I picked it because there are several animal motifs and a bunch of crackers. No, it's just what I had.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was definitely a part of it. Um cool, well, let's dive on in and get to this thing. First toast, first shot, first hit. Line them up. This one goes out to our film this week, him Cheers.
Speaker 2:Cheers, cheers to him. Oh boy, pretty difficult title to work with, I bet. Yeah, it doesn't tell you much about the movie I mean once I understood why they were saying it.
Speaker 3:It made a little more sense. I don't know, maybe I'm stupid.
Speaker 1:I feel like in general, this movie was always trying to have those hidden messages, from title to the very ending yeah there was a lot of symbolism, for sure the symbology there.
Speaker 3:Well, the second toast, second hit. This one goes out to our newest listeners this week. Uh, these ones are coming in from paramaribo, of the paramaribo district.
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Speaker 3:Do you think it's one guy just jumping around, for that, maybe that would it could be, it could be. I mean that'd be some wild freaking.
Speaker 2:I mean it's good to have a fan it's excellent to have a fan, and if they're manipulating our system to get a shout out, that's fine. You just send us an email yeah, you can do that too we'll just shut you out every time.
Speaker 1:Just send us an email. Yeah, you can do that too. We'll just shut you out every time, yeah it goes out to john wayne, our fan.
Speaker 2:This one goes out to our fan cheers, buddy, cheers I would find it crazy if someone in Suriname, if it was.
Speaker 1:Paramaribo. Just like what the fuck guys? I did a lot of work to be able to listen to you guys. It's not a VP.
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Speaker 2:You pieces of shit you scumbags. It's also the largest city, in serenade oh is it capital city or no? Yeah, capital and largest city. You know, not always the same thing, but I like that typically.
Speaker 3:They typically are, but not always yeah, yeah, our listeners did come for our geography lesson at the beginning of every episode. It's time to get to this movie. It's time to get those ratings out there. Luke, I'm actually curious. I want to hear your take. I'm watching this. I'm excited to hear how James fits himself into the movie. I'm excited to hear how Luke rates this one.
Speaker 1:Okay, I can definitely start, so I'll just go over the film, just really briefly. So this is yes, it's produced by Jordan Peele, but this one was not directed by Jordan Peele. It's directed by Justin tipping. Just honestly, justin tipping doesn't have a huge filmography to come from. Looks like he started in 2011 with a movie called nanny and then later directed low riders and kicks goat. I think it's from looks like he started in 2011 with a movie called nanny, um, and then, uh, later, uh, directed lowriders and kicks goat I think it's nani nani, nani, yeah, yeah, like that so, but yes, wasn't actually directed by him, it's.
Speaker 1:It's a sports horror movie where, in all honesty, I feel like the sports get kind of lost in it, almost like the real-time sports world that they tried to build. I will say that I didn't hate the movie just as a start. I don't think that this is a horror movie, thriller at best, if I had to say, at no point did I feel scared during this movie. The acting though I think was a standout for it. I think a lot of people thought marlon wayans was going to be uh, kind of. It was an interesting role for him, so, agreed, agreed, it's definitely not in his normal wheelhouse, but I think that he did pretty well.
Speaker 1:If I'm 100 honest in my opinion, I liked his character. He just seemed his goal was to be just like this unhinged football player who dedicated his life and soul to the game of football. Um and I. I feel like he played the character well and I like julia fox's um character as well. She was kind of a side thought, but I did like the times that she was on camera. She was the wife of marlon wayne's way. The times that she was on camera she was the wife of Marlon Wayans.
Speaker 1:Wayans character. She was eyebrows, yeah. So, yeah, I think the acting was overall pretty good and I ended up giving that a. The next one was the cinematography. I also thought that it was pretty solid.
Speaker 1:I feel like it kind of some of the shots in particular that I remembered were the foot like football when they were all doing that, those rowdy practices and the shots that were coming out of the face mask and so like. In football they you know there's athletes who talk about all the time the aspect of the helmet and stuff in football and how much it really does cut out your vision and like gives you this like tunnel vision, like naturally, and I feel like they actually portrayed that well through a camera and I thought that was pretty cool, which you know. I was interested to see how they do it. I also liked the x-ray shots. I thought those were kind of cool, just like see how the impact it has on the body. I don't know if you saw, like the head injury. You literally saw it go through his chest and his nerves, yeah, and I was like, oh, that's kind of cool, like just like showing the you know, larger effects of these, these hits, um, which I thought was cool.
Speaker 2:I gave cinematography a four on the topic of the using the inside of the helmet shot for narrow vision, that was an overarching theme in the movie was very narrow vision really close ups on people's eyes and stuff where you don't get a full picture of what's going on around A lot of times where they'd zoom out and you'd see that a lot more was going on around them. But it was a very constant theme of the tunnel vision.
Speaker 1:Even in that one drill where he the guy was yeah, that one drill where he was getting hit in the face and he was throwing the ball, I agree, it was like on his face close and like you could hear the blinking and it was like so it was like it was very close up. Um, I thought that I did notice that about the film as well.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, and it's like an encouragement of the tunnel vision yeah, I wonder why, I don't know it did anything for me. But um, I you know it. I did like some of the other shots. I thought it was cool and kind of a different style than what I've seen, but nothing that stood out to me in this film with the soundtrack. I ended up giving it a three. It was one that was just right in the middle for me.
Speaker 1:I really like and I find that a lot with horror movies in general that the soundtrack is probably not like they. Yes, it's always going to set that like creepy tone, but that's just it's supposed to. So the story soundtrack it kind of fall or a sorry kind of story soundtrack I wrote. The story plot of the movie was kind of where it lost it for me a little bit. They did a very good job kind of early in the movie to set up this like giant world of football and maybe it was the intention to then take it away from that world and kind of out in this rural area where Isaiah White lives. But for me it I, I don't know just lost itself. It just became like just a chaotic movie. Um, throughout the the film and I just didn't enjoy in throughout the hat, like, especially toward the set end of the movie. I'm just like like I and I kind of get there's some deeper symbolism and I think we can get into more of it in the golden path, and I feel like that's where some of the stuff they did kind of interesting and well, but they lost the actual storyline in doing that, in my opinion. So the story is where I lost it the most.
Speaker 1:I gave it a 2.5 and then rewatchability this is one that I'd rewatch with friends. This is maybe if they, if somebody else, wanted to put it on I don't, I didn't hate it I definitely would be like, oh yeah, like, and especially someone was like, oh, you didn't get this, or like, try to watch it through this scope. Or kind of like starship troopers, right, like it was one that I watched. I actually didn't give a good rating. You guys told me to watch through this scope. And then I'm like, oh, wow, I understand, and like was able to appreciate it on a whole new level. Maybe that's why I watched this one again. I don't know if that's because I don't know if rotten tomatoes feels that way, but oh, I'm about to drop some shit on you.
Speaker 1:You're gonna, you're gonna want to watch this movie again okay, uh, and then I, but for rewatchability I gave it a 2.5 respectable, respectable, yeah, yeah it was like I said I I did like.
Speaker 1:At no point was I like I'm going to fall asleep or oh, I want to leave, Um or oh, that is a over. It felt like pacing was relatively good, but just like I don't know, I feel like they were like, let's like break everybody's minds there, the cool. I feel like they had something there, though they there was something there that they could have. It was just, I don't think it executed super well.
Speaker 2:It wasn't bad, but it was could have been executed better I think the thing is the questions that a movie leaves you with. Like I'm not. I've never upset about a movie leaving me with questions, but the questions that leaves me with shouldn't be inane questions. I shouldn't be sitting there going like how did they get from this point to this point? Or you know what exactly? You know what?
Speaker 3:was, why did they hit him with the thing in the beginning like there was yeah, yeah, yeah like what exactly is the?
Speaker 2:the kind of questions you're left asking are incredibly important about whether to judge a movie to be good or not. Uh, and that's a question I had with my wife as we walked away from this movie- yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3:Well, james, did you want to do your scores then, or?
Speaker 2:oh sure. So acting I thought the acting was really good. I thought everyone really got the assignment and really delivered. I don't think anyone dropped the ball at all. Even I think Jim Jeffries was really. I thought it was a good role for him.
Speaker 1:For this small cast.
Speaker 3:I didn't expect Jim.
Speaker 1:Jeffries to be on that list.
Speaker 2:That was so weird. That was so bizarre. Did you say it was really weird? I didn't think it was weird at all.
Speaker 3:I didn't think it was weird. I was waiting for him to tell it. I just didn't expect it. Yeah, and for him to just kind of be serious through the whole thing.
Speaker 1:It's like oh, you just want to be I don't know. He had a sprinkle of his Sarah Cassidy in there and I loved it. I thought it fit well with the character. I literally looked at camera, said what the fuck is that Jim Jeffries? She had no clue who I was talking about.
Speaker 2:She doesn't know Jim Jeffries brought the right tone to that role and I thought it was a really good. I thought it was a very Jordan Peele type role and he did really well. Jordan Peele, you know of course this is a more horrorish movie, but Jordan Peele knows. Something I heard about comedians is that you know there's such a big move from comedians getting pulled into dramatic roles but you very rarely see dramatic actors getting pulled into comedian roles because comedians, in order to do that job, have to really understand the human condition and that gives them like, just by learning that craft they have range but just like, exactly because he just proved it, he just proved it but that is the thing.
Speaker 2:That is the thing. I liked that kind of view on it. But anyway, acting before cinematography, I really agree about a lot of the cinematography. I thought there were some really good shots. They did a lot of like far out shots when he was feeling isolated and they felt a lot of close-up shots when he was feeling anxiety and the way that they, the way that they handled the fans, like his own worshiper in that tunnel when he signed it. Whenever he was presented with a choice, they gave you a symbolic representation of that choice and I like that. This is the time where I'm willing to sign everything away and they did that a few times where he was confronted with moral dilemmas and the camera told the story. Keep out for it. It's great.
Speaker 2:Uh, I give the cinematography a 4.5 for the score and soundtrack. I thought they were pretty good and I felt like the music really drove the emotion of the film. Like when he was getting anxiety, they had pulsing pressure and when he was performing his best they had really like hard driving music. I felt it really added to it this time and I'm gonna give it a four. I think. Story, I think. Uh, I do think that's where it kind of falls apart, like it had me up to the third act and at the third act it just kind of we, I was left with a lot of questions and I can kind of see. One thing I did like specifically about the story is like it had a lot of metaphors for, like, how a child's future can be sold away by their parents. Yeah, like I think it was, that was an interesting on college athletes and things like that.
Speaker 2:I think they were into some of that yeah, and they're leaning into human desire to like ire, to like uh for fame and and uh and worship essentially will make us put aside even our own health, like CTE. People have known about CTE for 15 years and we still have people who are like it's my dream, you know? Um yeah, big commentary on that and on humanity. We, of course, did all this in the past, but I thought the plot did a lot for those things. But it did leave a lot of questions and to me it didn't wrap up as neatly as I would have liked, with enough motivation. It felt chaotic at the end. So I'm only going to give it a 3.5.
Speaker 2:And for rewatchability, I'm definitely going to rewatch this. I want to see this again. I'm sure, like I liked a lot of the motifs and I liked the jumping around to all these symbolic shots, I thought that it was I've seen it done not good and this is like this is really good for that kind of thing. Uh, so back and watch, like 28 days later. They did a lot of this jumping around, but it felt a little clumsy and this was like purposeful and executed Well.
Speaker 2:I thought it was executed like really well. Yeah, kind of a punk vibe. It's like a new era of vibe movies, but I think this one was done really well Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So give the rewatch a 3.5.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right, nice, yeah, okay, yeah, so give the rewatch a 3.5. Okay, all right. Um, yeah, for me. So acting I thought was was really good. I I didn't, um, necessarily liked. I mean, maybe it was just who cameron cade was. To me he kind of came off as like I don't know, just very two-dimensional. He was very and like he always had that same sort of befuddled look on his face, but it never really amounted to anything. So he was the only one that really pulled it out for me a little bit. But I thought Marlon Wayans was awesome when he yelled, though I could hear all of his other movies where it's a little bit, slightly like I always heard, haunted house and scary movie every time he was yelling.
Speaker 2:Don't be a menace.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but he did great. I thought he was awesome, so I'm happy for him. And so, acting, I'm going to give a four. Yeah, cinematography, I thought good, very creative shots. Um, I didn't be using like the injury x-rays and everything like that. It made it feel like a what was that football game blitz yeah felt like a little combat to me yeah, mortal combat is what I thought of too, yeah.
Speaker 3:It's very interesting being a gladiator, you know. Yeah, it was a constant thing. Like, yeah, man, I get it, you're the modern gladiator. In my opinion, you're a bunch of rich dudes dancing around each other, but you know, to each their own. But the cinematography, that was really good, some really good shots. A lot of times, though, I felt that it lost it. But the cinematography, that was really good, some really good shots. A lot of times, though, I felt that it lost it when, like, hey, you have to do more than just have your actors take a really long time to walk down a hallway, for it to be scary. Like, I get that you're trying to build something here, but like, what's the point? Like where's the chase and how can we cut um for a lot of these scenes. For me, so, a cinematographer, you have a four as well.
Speaker 3:Um, score and soundtrack. I felt a lot of the time was, um, some of the sound effects, but I felt a lot of time the music sort of was distracted. Um, I felt that in some that sometimes it got in the way of what I was trying to watch. I'll get to this in the story. The movie was 90% montage. I started to see that it's just constant. Are we talking?
Speaker 2:cinematography now. I agree, I think that was purposeful because it's just constant. Are we talking? Are we talking cinematography now? Because, I agree, I think that was purposeful, because it's like a kid getting dragged through choices. You know, when we kind of look back on our choices from our youth, sometimes I feel that way. Maybe it's a specific way that you might have been raised.
Speaker 1:I think that those montages are like almost a tribute to sports movies in general, because that happens in any sports movie there's always some montage of some good ass ice hockey or some good ass foot in any. But this was just. It was just montages.
Speaker 3:It was just montages of abs and these bros hugging it out, and if I get it, I get it. For me it was just sort of off putting. But anyway, back to the soundtrack, the soundtrack.
Speaker 2:I'm always down to watch some bros hug it out. All right, I want to see, I'll see some abs slapping together.
Speaker 3:Show me Some slapping abs, I'll watch it.
Speaker 2:I'll watch the smooth three. You know what Change my three watch ability to a four.
Speaker 3:Watch this. My three watch ability to a four, but the score I give like a three. Um story. Yeah, I thought it was 90 percent montage I. I felt that a lot of times it didn't really know what it wanted to do and, like james, I was left with a lot of like well, why did they? Why would you groom this guy and then just club him over the head, like you could have definitely just killed him?
Speaker 2:right there. Well, I thought they wanted to put him in a position where he was willing to sign it all away.
Speaker 1:But you could do that with a leg or you know, felt like a super risky gambit Risky, but maybe they had a guy that just knew how to swing it exactly, hard enough to crack his skull but not kill him and still like retain the ability to tie his shoes and use the bathroom and all those things. It's like yeah they're like this is gonna be a lot changing injury, literally no difference to his life whatsoever.
Speaker 3:I know, yeah, there was none like he had occasional visions, I guess zero, zero recovery.
Speaker 1:No, pt yeah, zero recovery time.
Speaker 3:Fair enough, he's built different.
Speaker 1:He's him. You don't get it, he's him.
Speaker 3:The way he was able to shrug off his elbow being shattered. Oh yeah, he didn't use the arm.
Speaker 1:At least they didn't have him use the arm, thank God I literally thought that going into the next scene I was like he's gonna use the arm.
Speaker 3:I know he is like that arm was fucked though, and like, yeah, it just. It is what it is um, and then I thought it was like a huge hop and a skip for him, just as a character to wanton slaughter, yeah like. And he has that same fucking look that the actor did the entire movie as that's why the end of it crazy is he was just murdering.
Speaker 1:I was like he's just murdering people right now like, yeah, like yeah like a lot of people.
Speaker 2:You knew my dad the whole time die well, what I got from that one was that his dad actually sold it like this wasn't his choice. The whole time his dad sacrificed, you know, let himself be killed or whatever, so his kid would be him sold a soul quite like it was still a massive kid to just wanton murder, like that is true, see it.
Speaker 3:Maybe you'd cry, maybe you'd you know, you'd refuse and some like. But like just murder, I don't know. But at the same time he was going through a massive head trauma. Maybe that was part he's not acting like himself, maybe that beast inside of him from marlon wayne's blood, you know, but I don't know, I shoot up. He did just murder all the time and I so.
Speaker 2:It's addictive it's addictive murdering people. You do it once it, once you pop, you just get down, that's what they say.
Speaker 3:It's like a bag of potato chips. But yeah, I felt the story was like what a rush. It was interesting. But I got the point really early on and I was like, okay, yeah, I know, I know, get it. And so the story kind of fell off for me. I give it a 2.5. Rewatchability. If someone asks me to like, hey, man, it's on, like well, you know, you don't want to check the other channels real quick.
Speaker 3:But you know, if nothing else, if it's this or like I guess, wicked, then yeah, I guess I'll watch this, but I like wicked. Come on, man wicked. Yeah, I saw it. I enjoyed it in theaters. Rewatch ability honestly, I'm miserable. I have to watch it again. I liked it in theaters, but it's a one and done for me. Um, that goes for wicked and it goes for him similar themes about wanting to be popular.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh-huh, just let um a lot of great parallels here. Jordan peele might actually ripped off wicked it was.
Speaker 3:Uh, cameron cade was just oh, the wicked witch. That's all. So, uh, I'm rewatchability, I'm giving it to um, and that's where I'm at for a grand total of a 3.5. Yeah, leaving the theaters is kind of where I thought it would land. It's kind of yeah.
Speaker 2:On the better side of good.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I genuinely think that if they could have closed out the third act just a little bit better, it could have gotten a lot higher of a score Because, like James, your scores were raving about it.
Speaker 1:Like the only thing that pulled it down for you was the story and for us that was the lowest score I feel like it genuinely had. I also just one one, one thing that I specifically note about cinematography. I didn't say was I really like that ice bath shot where it like went under and then it transitioned to the water dumping on his face in the morning. It did leave the story because it, while it loved it cinematography wise and it looked it did like story wise, that was kind of like like. It kind of just like left me wanting more with, like the I I don't know why. I just thought there was going to be something worse in that ice bath scene and then it just transitioned out of it. Um, and maybe that was intention or purposeful, but I both like loved and hated that scene yeah, I agree, and I think that's where I'm with this movie.
Speaker 3:It's like there's parts I love, there's parts I'm like what? And honestly, I left just kind of a little frustrated, I'm not gonna lie. So well, I think it's time to go to the golden path, but before we do that, I gotta get a little more drunk, we gotta get a little more high boys. So I could do that. Yeah, let's do it. Final toast, final hit of the night. This one, I guess, goes out to Wicked.
Speaker 2:Agreed, okay, yeah, cheers Wicked.
Speaker 1:That was the first musical she had ever seen. Oh really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she saw it on Broadway. Wow, okay, that'd be pretty cool. Yeah, I like everything like that. It's not my other audience, I'm not their audience you got to get a dolby television telling you I am their audience I have um that new Sony-ish. I spent a lot of money on my TV.
Speaker 2:Does it have Dolby Mode? Does Dolby Mode kick in?
Speaker 3:But then, honestly, musicals, a lot of the music in musicals irritates the shit out of me. It's just rambling to me. I just love a good musical. I love a musical.
Speaker 1:I really do.
Speaker 2:Anybody who wants some tv musicals. Gallivant is on hulu. Uh, check out gallivant. Uh, check out gallivant. That's a ton of fun. Uh, schmigadoon schmigadoon is uh are you just making it up for it no, I'm not. I'm not I'm not season two is called schmigago. That one's also pretty good, but I think schmigadoon was the better one. Just saying there's some tv musicals out there.
Speaker 3:They're really good I mean, I like there are a few, I like, I like the producers, um, I uh specifically, honestly, I like the one with matthew broderick and nathan lane more than the original. I feel like those good like nathan lane was just made for that fucking role, but anyway, anyway, it's time to get onto the golden path of him. We're talking who's him?
Speaker 3:what was him? So what are your thoughts? I mean, like, obviously this was they were talking about. Well, I think a lot of people who've begun to believe that the nfl is rigged and scripted are really going to like that, and there's obviously a lot of you know reference for just you know this, our sportier listeners um, but what else is in there? What did we see?
Speaker 2:It's a good question. I have notes. Should I kick it? What should I kick it? What I?
Speaker 1:don't know who should kick it off. Well, I can't, okay.
Speaker 2:Well, so I think I wanted to hop back to the tunnel vision of the camera that I felt was really important theme of the movie. I touched on it a little bit about how, how, how, what it's like. I think this movie captured what it's like to grow up in a home where, like you're given a lot of wiggle room to create an identity Like an identity. Like an identity has been decided for you.
Speaker 3:And then who? Obviously was a murderer all along.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that was his destiny, but he didn't know it. Like that's when you have incredibly overbearing parents who have a really restrictive view of what life and success is, and then you end up being a murderer. Yeah, who have a really restrictive view of what life and success is, and then you end up being a murderer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but this is the kind of Tale as old as time, but I can tell you, when I played high school sports and in those sports I saw people whose parents were like this about sports. Mine weren't like this about sports, they were like that about other shit. But I saw people whose lives were like this about sports mine weren't like this about sports, they're like that about other shit. But I saw people whose lives were like this about sports and they were on the field like at 6 am every day and they were and like their parents were there, like you're gonna fucking be, and they would they they lived a life like that, you know oh I couldn't, but that'd be so fucking miserable it's a beauty and, like this movie, really kind of capture how uh your parents like set you, like his parents, set him up to be abused?
Speaker 1:system, rooming the children. It's a yeah, it's a style of grooming children to have them fit your needs, at the end of the day, and your needs. And it shows that violence very and it happens all the time, and I think it doesn't just happen in sports, it happens in the arts as well, where parents will literally to a toxic level, hold their kids do they even love it anymore? Like it's it should. Everything that someone does should be about do they enjoy it? Right, actually, when it comes to sports and hobbies and things like that. But people treat treat it like a, a religion and a cult, and I feel like that was something that they were trying to show is like, and it's grooming children to fit the needs of this cult that has been built around sports and and other things.
Speaker 3:So Well, the thing I felt like I wasn't sure, I wasn't sure. Are they trying to betray him? Like it took this guy a week. Like imagine had she had he actually joined. He was like the perfect way. Like it took him 72 hours before his girlfriend was an afterthought. It was less than a week before he's able to kill 10 people.
Speaker 2:It's well, like Luke was saying, this is cult programming. They isolated him, drugged him up, hurt his body, pushed his body to its limit.
Speaker 1:That's what they're going for.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but now he's just damaged.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but now, like he's just you know, he's just damaged. Yeah, like like, have you ever, have you ever known someone who's been wrapped up in a cult? Because, like I've, I've never known anybody who's been wrapped up in a cult. But like these documentaries they show people coming out of them and like trying to deprogram cult members and they're fucked up like immediately.
Speaker 3:Like, yeah, they've, they've developed cults, have developed really strong tactics to program people and have it stick I actually have a lot of literature in here, um, uh, just exploring different cults and how it affects people and the things that it's on their minds, and just some of the wildest cults that have, you know, popped up and it doesn't sound accurate.
Speaker 2:I mean, does this like yeah?
Speaker 3:well, what's funny is like you talk to anyone and they're like I would never be a part of a cult and it's like, no, that's not true. Yeah, most of us are just a little skip away from doing that sort of programming, and I mean, we see it on large political skills, we see it in fandom, we see it all over the place and it's workplaces and it just stems from like five basic, you know, the desire to be feel connected, the desire for purpose.
Speaker 3:You know, it's just these very normal human things. It's the most human thing in the world to join a cult, um. But then it really just made me think just so much how corporate america is. Basically what normal human things?
Speaker 1:It's the most human thing in the world to join a cult. But then it really fucked up. It just made me think just so much how corporate America is basically. What giant cult. And now, and I'm a part it's just like a semi healthier cult, I guess. They're giving you a benefit.
Speaker 2:It's not the benefit you deserve, but cults also give you a benefit of connectedness and a roof over your head I have.
Speaker 3:I always you a benefit of connectedness and a roof over your head. I have. I always say that I've made some of my best friends from my workplace, I hate to say it. Well, and one of the um, the definitions, like the requirements to be a cult, is that there's an inner like so you have a board of directors, um, and then the more you give yourself to this cult, secret ways you discover and they give it to you little by little and we all know, I mean the most of us are wrapped up in a place like that.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, so that is kind of a crazy concept, but I think, like in general though, this him movie was cold heavy obviously, I feel like that was kind of like yeah, a theme. This look, even the people outside, like his fan base, are their own little subcult of the cult because, like the hyper fans, and then there's the, the main cult, with even the other play, just just there to just toss the football around but like, yeah, just get like literal physical abuse and eat it like it's a good thing.
Speaker 3:Um, yeah and it's because they're programmed to all of them. We call shit a cult just when the other established cults.
Speaker 3:Uh stop they're like, they feel threatened, and so yeah, and so we catch it you know, because I mean, like, if you, I mean if you just look at, um, what some of these, these cults have done, I mean you could even fucking look in jonestown and then just compare it to the goddamn cia, right, there's a lot of just goddamn parallels and all the only difference is that, you know, jonestown failed. Had he has succeeded, it just would have been. You know, it just would have been the way. Yeah, what?
Speaker 2:we're saying everybody is joining a cult is an act of rebellion against the establishment and that's something we can all approve of.
Speaker 3:Yeah, join a cult, join a cult and uh, when you're choosing your cults, please keep eye and dry in mind yeah, yeah, all your cult needs.
Speaker 2:There's some of them that are like don't do drugs. If you're gonna be in a cult, fucking do drugs.
Speaker 3:Get some drugs come on for sure, it's all orgies and soup I gotta be. All apps I gotta be abstinent and farm.
Speaker 2:And why would I? Why am I in this cult? Yeah, you don't do any of that shit for high and dry I picked the worst fucking.
Speaker 3:yeah, you don't have to do any of that shit. For high and dry. I picked the worst fucking. Yeah, you don't have to do any of that shit. It's all orgies and soup, so enjoy so much broth. Orgies and soup, different kinds of the same kind of soup.
Speaker 1:I mean it varies from person to person.
Speaker 3:Once we get into the inner circle, we have access to a wider range of various soups.
Speaker 1:French onion perhaps, yeah, chicken and yogi, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I mean, everyone gets as much alcohol and weed as they want, but they're fighting for the soup, the soup is the resource. The three of us just standing on a porch with sunglasses, staring at them all as they do their morning PT.
Speaker 2:Our kingdom of soup.
Speaker 3:The fucking soup heater. Beepers just stay in my dreams all night.
Speaker 2:But yeah, so you definitely Just yelling from the balcony the soup, the soup, the soup, and then they yell back the soup.
Speaker 3:The soup you ladle a hot fucking spoonful onto someone's bare back. This place is fucked. Yeah, but the orgies, weed and booze are keeping yeah, like I'm like you got just this dude at the lunchroom. He's like I'm 99 sure they're just doing this soup thing because it makes them laugh. And then he gets labeled that.
Speaker 2:that's when you invite them into the ladling and then they start supporting the ladling. You got to get them.
Speaker 1:You got to see. We didn't know you were cool like that. Yeah, you come join us.
Speaker 3:Have you tried this Italian wedding number right here Take a spoonful of that dude.
Speaker 2:Now scald Tyler with it.
Speaker 3:And we're just staring dead-faced as he scalds people with soup.
Speaker 2:Man never mind Hydricol was a bad idea. We're retiring it now.
Speaker 3:It took us 30 seconds to start scalding people with soup.
Speaker 1:We've become tyrants. We need to stop.
Speaker 3:We need to be stopped. We're dangerous. We're a dangerous group of individuals, jesus Christ, what the hell is this podcast about?
Speaker 1:Golden path.
Speaker 2:I think we've treaded this've tread this path, which is far enough we've walked far enough okay like I would say, like let my golden pet.
Speaker 3:It's like, let's be real. Like there there were some things they were just trying to say, but it was obvious fucking shit. Like yeah, we know, we know, it's a goddamn cult, we're fucking and it just cult of personality did that song about in the 90s, yeah uh-huh. I mean like uh, uh. Yeah, we know it's a cult um satan's involved. Uh, you know, the white man is there too, so watch out about that yeah, that's not.
Speaker 2:That's never great.
Speaker 3:You got five white people in costume not wearing pig masks yeah, while their lady gaga is trying to get you to sign something and one of them's wearing a gimp mask. I think that's just like a little like stab at somebody yeah, well, I mean like, but I also wonder like where does satan want you to wear that ridiculous shit, uh, when you worship him? I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah he does have you wear ridiculous shit on the football field? It's like a mascot, right, I didn't think about how much of a like a mascot it was what am I uh?
Speaker 3:so there's a. So there's a movie ready or not, with uh samara?
Speaker 2:um yeah one of the better entries of. The poor person kills a bunch of rich people.
Speaker 3:I love it, but I love the genre um but uh. But at one point it was like fucking pig masks. And uh, he's talking about tradition and like, well, why are we wearing these stupid fucking pig masks? And he's like that was grandpa's idea. It was the 80s yeah you know concept, and that's what it would have been like. There's no like why does satan need you to wear a pig mask? You know, but just to what? To fucking reference?
Speaker 2:um, fucking lord of the flies it's just, or the bible legion was in a pig, I guess I suppose.
Speaker 3:But they weren't all in pig masks. So, like, who decides, like, where's, like, is there a sorting hat? That's what I'm wondering. I, I'm, I'm, confused. These are the questions that this movie left me with. They were dumb fucking questions, like it was a good attempt. There was a lot there. Cinematography was awesome, marlon wayne's can act, but I think it was. You know, was the juice worth the squeeze?
Speaker 2:on this one and you didn't have any confusion about the themes, just confusion about the means, which is not great.
Speaker 3:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1:And I think that's why this?
Speaker 3:I well, I think that's why this, this movie is sort of just getting middle of the road scores everywhere, cause like, yeah, we, we know what you're trying to say, but is that how you want?
Speaker 2:to say it, the the vibes hit me particularly good, which is why my score was up there. The vibes hit me good. You gotta be you gotta. If the movie wins you over, you like it, and if it doesn't win you over, you're not gonna like it so much. Because it doesn't. It is not clever in its story. No, it's not trying to be clever in its story. It's clever in its. I mean, it's, uh, it's, it's just trying to tell its themes in a really artistic and cinematic way that's exactly what I had said.
Speaker 1:It's a very artistic movie when I came out of it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, and I appreciate the effort. Um, I I am a marlon wayne's fan, so anything that I think he's stand out and I'm really happy to see so, um, but I think that's enough of the golden pith.
Speaker 2:Um, nothing wild here yeah, he was sleep I also. I did like the jumping around of the camera with the theme of like sleepwalking, especially children who have had their, you know, lives kind of decided for them. It's like sleepwalking through events.
Speaker 1:I also want to say you said the tunnel vision thing.
Speaker 1:I think that it also was playing on the fact that when a kid who is literally 21 years old sometimes younger going into the NFL and these teams, they actually promote some of these kids. And I've heard this, at least in English soccer, and I think it happens in the NFL because you see it too often, people they get married so quickly and the reason why is a married man is a more reliable man like and they they don't want somebody single going out partying. A married player is more sellable and like more of the american and they do it and I feel like it's a tunnel vision thing. It happens all so fast and there it is like this like sign your life away, sign it like you're literally signing a contract that's going to put your body on the line for the next so many years. And again it's the dream, so like it's kind of being like spoon fed to us. There a bit I'm like all right, jack, like you're making fucking millions, though I will say like I'd put my body on the line for the paycheck.
Speaker 1:But it was your choice to do so yeah, it is kind of crazy like it is a very fast and insane process. They're children. I remember when I was 22 years old and you asked me to sign a contract. That law is an insane concept. So I think they also show that with the camera work. I didn't really think about that until you had mentioned the consistent tunnel vision throughout the movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Am I watching it every Christmas?
Speaker 1:No, but well so now Die hard Klaus him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and weapons. And weapons too, god willing, yeah.
Speaker 1:Even more weapons Even more here.
Speaker 3:So it's time now for our third portion of this thing. It's time to insert ourselves into the movie. So you sit down to him, You're like, oh shit, there's Jim Jefferies. And then, oh shit, it's the high and dry crew. How does the movie change? James, I'd like to save you for last.
Speaker 2:Okay, that sounds fine.
Speaker 1:That's a hot statement to say.
Speaker 3:I'm going to save him for last. We're going to put him up in the balcony so we can just watch Slow roast. Okay, Slow roast him, Luke. What. Give me some base myself with all right, so james is up there based and how does this movie?
Speaker 1:change with you. I don't think I can be extremely impactful in the film, but I would like to think that I'm one of the receivers in the scene where it's like if we drop it, the guy gets blasted in the face and I literally can't catch a fucking pass.
Speaker 1:I like just he's throwing it too hard. I've not experienced. I had just I had just eaten buttered popcorn before the film, before the film. I literally can't get, while this guy is getting just black and I literally like throwing up watching him get hit in the face because I, I I haven't been deprogramming, I'm just stoned Like, oh my god, why are we doing this to you? Please stop, I can't catch it.
Speaker 1:Kane's screaming at you that it's your fault. And freaking Marlon Wayans is yelling at him for returning, being like no, it's your fault, throw better. And I'm like no, it really is your fault. I can't catch it turning the being like no, it's your fault, throw better. And I'm like no, it really is. He throws it so hard. Are you the guy who gets headbutt and dies? Yeah, I can be the guy. I deserve it. I deserve it. I dropped 42 passes that day. There's two dead people now in the film because of me killed that man.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's how I would, uh, change the film, not say crazy impactful, but that scene would be just a little more memorable. It would be like a very fast, just drop, drop, drop, drop. I'm still trying to do one-handed catches, though just every once in a while I'm like, yeah, maybe, maybe for the people you try and get it between your legs like dude.
Speaker 1:You know he's gonna get fucked but yeah, that's how I changed the film. I don't know if it'd be a crazy, I don't know if I can get it up to a four, but uh, um, people are definitely gonna remember that scene, but more okay, um, yeah, I.
Speaker 3:I was watching this thing and I could not for the life of me figure out where the fuck I would be. Um, and I guess at the end I would just be like chilling with jim jeffries drinking. Um. I have no medical training, but but Jim's dead at the end he's sacrificed. Well, I think I'd be pretty in trouble here. Well, no, I would like to think you know how they're in that stadium.
Speaker 1:You're just that. You're the only fan in the complete church. Woo, Fuck capitalism, Fuck capitalism. Get him Cameron.
Speaker 2:That's my QB1.
Speaker 3:Hell, yeah, hail Satan. So I think, yeah, I would just be. I mean, I guess I have risk management experience, so I would be just this sort of middle management dude saying, hey, we have to have him back up from that fucking thing.
Speaker 2:You are looking at a class action here. You can't be launching footballs into people's faces on purpose, if this ever gets out.
Speaker 3:Dude, this is bad. And the fucking cord management here, the cord discipline, terrible. You have someone trip on this man. That's the end of all this erotic art. I tell you that much. And I guess when he passed out running through the desert, I'd be like did you not think of a work rest cycle? You're dealing with 115 degrees right now. When, when is this man had water? And yeah, I would just be on his hand. Hail Satan, with 115 degrees right now. When, when is this man had water? Um, and yeah, I would just be on his hand.
Speaker 1:Uh hail Satan. Do you think you could change Marlon Wayans, though? Do you think you could change Isaiah white?
Speaker 3:himself. Well, I think like they would see my value. You know I've saved them millions of dollars just in, you know, fucking legal fees alone. So, and you know, hail Satan, hail Satan.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3:So I'd be like standing above him as he's fucking, you know, like just past the file. Oh God, damn it. Hail Satan. When was the last time this man had water? Satan.
Speaker 1:Jesus.
Speaker 3:Christ. Jesus christ? Um, yeah, I would just be like I'm all in, like I'm all in. Satan is a happy satan. All right, that's right. All right, um, what was this man's urine? Jesus christ? Um, yeah, I would just be a satan worshiper cruising around making sure that we're following basic logistic of you know, safety okay, I like that yeah, yeah, and I'm like, by the way, will I get emotional counseling then for my 42 drop passes I I don't know you're dead.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, you're a necromancer and I'd be a necromancer. Yeah, for sure, okay, so never mind he can't help oh fuck yeah.
Speaker 1:Risk manager, necromancer, hail satan welcome back dude hail satan.
Speaker 3:Risk manager slash necromancer Hail Satan. Welcome back dude Hail Satan. Yeah, that would be me. Just making the whole fucking thing more obvious.
Speaker 2:Hey man, how's it going?
Speaker 3:Welcome. Welcome, hail Satan.
Speaker 2:Just wrapping up the questions people had, the inane questions people had.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, hey. When we clocked you with that hammer, I said it was a risk. I said it was a risk, but they decided to go with it because there's actually 10 others of you being groomed as we speak, so it wouldn't have been a huge loss. Hail Satan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're number 45 in the past two years to find a replacement. I mean yeah. It's one little yeah, so yeah, no.
Speaker 3:I would just be an expositional risk manager Hailing Satan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, We've had. We've had this whole plan since you were a kid.
Speaker 3:Your dad had your dad decided to sacrifice himself, and you actually essentially signed you up for it. Enjoy, yeah, enjoy, good luck out there. Champ, I'll say, and I would always call him champ, it would always be champ, you know, just real condescending.
Speaker 3:So uh, maybe I'd molest him too, maybe, uh, that oh my god now you've crossed the line, that's, that's you're the risk management guy, like I'm in a position of power and I feel like that's also what this movie's about. So I would add to the uh, you know just the in your face themes here that were being just spoon fed to me, it would probably happen.
Speaker 2:You know, terry cruz has a story about how he was groped. Uh, yeah, at a party, because people feel like they own the athletes that they see.
Speaker 3:Yeah, uh no, and I I feel like I don't think a scene like that would have been out of place in this movie. I mean, they were already kind of doing it when they had him stripped down and everything like that. They were like insulting his dick. But because it was like a male-male toxic masculinity thing, I feel like we kind of sort of glossed over it, like hey, you know it's over it, like hey, you know it's kind of, but like at the same time that was a really uncomfortable thing yeah, I would be super uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:So yeah, died.
Speaker 3:You know, obviously once, people's never a comfortable situation but uh, yeah, and then they're like, dude, you should have kept your underwear on, you know. Then you, then you're like, oh, he's being hazed, and it's like jesus christ, uh. So yeah, a lot of strangeness going on there. So I would just be like, hey, watch this fucking cable here. Someone could have tripped hail satan, um, and that'd be the enemy tape it down, tape it down, tape it down, I, I, I buy you the fucking guard protector why don't you use the tapes?
Speaker 2:right here it's a roll. Look at it, it's right here. Hail satan jesus right by the fucking. Oh my god all right, uh.
Speaker 3:So, james, how would it change with you?
Speaker 2:so you know the scene where um kate is in the sauna and then out from under the seat comes the fan, for I'm the. I'm the fan, and so I was just trying to get close to isaiah the whole time. And so I worm my lithe body out from under the sauna bench and I go to kill kade with the, but, unlike this woman, I just kill him. No, no I of course.
Speaker 2:Of course he overpowers me and nearly strangles me to death. Um, and they set me up in the bear costume right when they're doing the shooting. They, they're, they put me in the bear costume, but in between, you know, when they take my unconscious body, I wake up, I knock out someone else with a similar build mission impossible and I put them in the bear costume and then, and, and then they're the ones that get shot.
Speaker 2:I get out of there. I'm the only one left keeping the cult alive after everyone else died, and that's when we go on to him, to the hymening and I'm and I'm the hymenator yeah what a change of events I'll be.
Speaker 3:I'm him.
Speaker 1:No, I'm Dirty Dan.
Speaker 2:I'm him. Yeah, that's my version, I like smoking a sweet J on the way out. No, I've got his blood and I'm injecting Isaiah's blood and shit and pumping myself up. You have the beast now.
Speaker 3:You're the goat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're the goat.
Speaker 3:You are the goat. You take too much and actually grow horns and shit.
Speaker 2:I start eating, brush grass and chewing on anything aluminum cans and shit.
Speaker 3:Well, I also like that the goat is like you know it's more Satan. They're very big that the goat is like you know it's more satan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, very big on the goat, like like I appreciate what they did, but like again, super nothing was, yeah, but anyway, I'm being attacked by a fucking very, very overall, though, I think the the additions to the film, just that brings it up to at least a four out of five, which, oh yeah, at the end of the day, it's impressive in itself oh yeah, if we were there, it's a totally different ballgame I, I, I think like at the end of the day, but it it, it like, like we said, obvious with themes yeah, I'm not mad at the line, I'm
Speaker 3:not mad, I'm not mad.
Speaker 1:A turnover loses game, and they turned it over just a couple too many times.
Speaker 3:Agreed, Agreed. Well, I think that's the perfect place to to end it. To end it. There you go. There's high and dry's official thing. A turnover loses games, and they just turned it over a couple too many times. So, but you know, again, shout out to Marlon Wayans. I thought he was awesome in it. Um, I, I do appreciate the cinematography. Oh, we are pretty unanimous on that. So worth a watch? Is it worth a second watch If wicked's on?
Speaker 1:Well, to James it definitely is, so I wouldn't say that yeah.
Speaker 2:I'd say there's definitely, uh, some artistic cinematic value. I think a lot of people could learn a lot from the cinematography in this movie yes agreed, I'd like to see more of it and it'd be great if it went along with a uh, a more comprehensive plot. Yes, agreed, agreed, agreed I was so, and I think that justin, that Justin Tipping definitely is, honestly, a little.
Speaker 1:You know a couple more from him. I'd be interested to see what he can do, Because I think he artistically has a very creative vision and I want to see like something with a very cohesive storyline. That, you know, maybe it wasn't him, Maybe he is a different him, the him and the him.
Speaker 3:Double entendre right there, or the her. Well, thank you all for listening. We're High and Dry Podcast. I'm your host. Ryan Baron North, james Crosland, luke. Thank you all for listening, especially that dude on VPN who's just jumping around across the globe. Shout out to you, dude, just fucking email us.
Speaker 2:man, god damn um, if you, uh, if, if you are using vpns, go to singapore. Next time we'll look for singapore, singapore.
Speaker 3:That's how we know you listen to the end. Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll see if there's a singapore next time. All right, good night everybody. Bye, singapore bye bye.
