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Let the Boy Watch: A '28 Years Later' Analysis
We dive into the recently released zombie thriller 28 Years Later, exploring its place in the franchise and evaluating what makes it stand out in the horror genre.
• Film serves as both sequel and standalone story accessible to viewers unfamiliar with earlier films
• Strong performances from Aaron Taylor Johnson and Ralph Fiennes anchor the emotional core
• Cinematography blends nostalgic handheld camera work with innovative visual techniques
• Soundtrack creates unexpected emotional resonance, particularly during pivotal scenes
• Story explores coming-of-age themes through a post-apocalyptic lens
• Different types of infected expand the franchise mythology in interesting ways
• Tracksuit-wearing cult hints at fascinating directions for future sequels
• Film makes thoughtful points about death, acceptance, and human nature amid horror
• High rewatch value with many subtle details to discover
• Earns a solid 4 out of 5 rating from High and Dry Podcast
If you enjoyed our review of 28 Years Later, please subscribe to High and Dry Podcast wherever you get your podcasts and let us know what you thought of the movie.
Well, let's do this shit. So, hey, everybody, welcome to High and Dry Podcast, the only podcast keeping alive the fandom that belongs to Jim Jeffery's legit television show that aired some time ago.
Speaker 2:I'm your host Ryan.
Speaker 1:Baron North with me as always. James Crossland, luke, how you guys doing.
Speaker 2:First off, I have no idea what that show is that you're talking about.
Speaker 1:I guess Jim Jeffries.
Speaker 2:Or Jim Jeffries. I guess I can't believe Jim Jeffries was allowed to have a TV show.
Speaker 1:Right Now. He had that one bit about gun control back in the early 2000s and it just launched him for a minute there.
Speaker 2:People were like I have one thing that I agree with Jim Jeffries about. I like that guy.
Speaker 1:That's pretty much where we were at at the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's much. More person has one redeemable quality for them all on the TV.
Speaker 1:That's right. That's right. This was pre a lot of movement. Anyways, that's right, that's right, this was pre a lot of a lot of movement. So, anyways, so we will not. Actually that's, that's the extent of how far we're going to dive into legit oh yeah, I know, I know, so I have notes on go ahead and change your uh, your channel now for those of you who are really looking for that legit discussion.
Speaker 1:Uh, we will instead, this week, be talking about 28 years later, and we're going to break down to a three-part method. First, we're going to dive on in, break this thing down and give it the top score that we can, and the one that you, as our listeners, can actually trust and believe. You won't even need to watch the movie when you've done, when you've finished listening to the first portion of this oh yeah, don't.
Speaker 2:Don't watch the movie. Never watch a movie that we review. Just take our regurgitation of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's better that's always trust me yeah, and the second part of that. We're going to dive into the golden path where we're going to break the movie down for its deeper thoughts that you you may have missed on the first run. And then we're going to dive into the third portion, where we are going to insert ourselves drugs and or alcohol into the film, and what's going to make it so special and magical is that we're going to be doing it drunk and high. It's a lot of diving.
Speaker 2:I got, and magical is that we're going to be doing it drunk and high, so diving I gotta admit, and there was a lot of diving. We, we dove probably like eight times a lot of diving.
Speaker 1:We actually saw this movie today, all three of us and I do not watch movies.
Speaker 2:No, I saw this movie yesterday, don't I can't say that I saw it today. It's not the truth.
Speaker 1:I actually saw it friday oh, okay, well, I saw it today and I hit the bar immediately and uh, so, uh, uh, yeah, I'll dive into whatever the fuck I want. Keep diving, just keep diving, just keep diving. I agree, I'm gonna dive all fucking day. So so, uh, diving into it. What are you guys uh smoking this week?
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna lie, I, I, physically. I cannot remember the straight. It was something like like too high, stimmer, stimmer or something I like I. I was trying to remember the whole time on the way home from the movies. Today. I'm like I don't remember what I can't remember, so, so we're going to go with Stimmer, that's. That's just the bag, we is it just loose weed?
Speaker 1:now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I found it. It was just outside the movies today. I was like, yeah, cool, but no, I've got the, the old Penifer Love Hewitt with me. She'll be. She'll be joining me for this, this podcast, lovely Good.
Speaker 1:Well, I like the bag idea, where I especially liked the idea that you got it before going into the theater.
Speaker 2:People are trying to watch it. They just hear the. I wish I could smoke in the theater. I there was at at about, at about an hour 45, I was like man, I really would love to hit my vape right about now. But for me for today I've got Gelato 66. Gelato's a pretty good one. It should be pretty mellow, should be smooth like Gelato, a little milky, very sweet. Well, I will be joining you guys today with patron excuse me that's not the usual for for mr ryan a white liquor on this evening yeah, I'm just going straight.
Speaker 1:uh, silver patron gonna there you go, there's a little something for you Do you have a lime with it or anything. No, no, patron does not need a lime on its own.
Speaker 2:I disagree, but okay.
Speaker 1:You also vastly underestimate the stage of alcoholism I'm at.
Speaker 2:It's not about enjoying it anymore.
Speaker 1:No, it just quiets the demons.
Speaker 2:So all right. Well, and, and what is the first one? Our film our film.
Speaker 1:That's right. This first shot, this first toast, this first hit, this one's going to our film 28 years later. Cheers boys cheers I mean, we are not a visual medium, but I feel I took that like a pro.
Speaker 2:He did, he did Trust me Well they'll trust us.
Speaker 1:They'll trust us, I think so. I mean they trust us enough to take an hour and a half out of their Monday commute, so they'll be fine.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh, I thought I was going to cough a little more from that, but I didn't Took that like a pro myself. Yeah, this little more from that, but I didn't took that like a pro myself. Yeah, this was a. It's a really nice uh strain. I like this a lot. It's very floral. I can taste all the the flour in my mouth. You don't always get that, sometimes it's just burn, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, literally just tastes like fire, yeah well this, so it's time to line them up again our, our second shot, second toast, second hit. These are going to go out to our newest listeners, these ones. It looks like we have a couple popping up. The first one is Glen Olden Pennsylvania. The second is Chaco Mexico.
Speaker 2:What was that?
Speaker 1:Chaco Mexico.
Speaker 2:I believe Okay and what was that? Choco mexico, I believe. Okay, and then the last one is white horse alaska.
Speaker 1:Okay, alaska. What up mexico? How you doing badass city yeah white horse I had always sort of assumed that, uh, I would one day die in a standoff with federal law enforcement somewhere in Alaska, and Whitehorse was as good as any.
Speaker 2:I think that would be a very good last stand town, I agree.
Speaker 1:Yeah, somewhere up there. So here's to them Cheers, cheers, figuring I could outrun the long arm of the law up north alaska way that one I did not take like a champ I saw that that one hurt all right, I'll I'll flinch on my last one then.
Speaker 2:So we're all even all right.
Speaker 1:well, I still haven't flinched my last one then, so we're all even All right. Well, I haven't flinched either. So right now it's Luke. Yeah, I'm the only one.
Speaker 2:I lost on round two, but I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1:All right, Well so third toast, third shot, third hit. Here's our straight face challenge Cheers.
Speaker 2:Cheers, cheers.
Speaker 1:That was a tough one, not going to lie. The third shot of Patron Wanted a little peace out of me.
Speaker 2:You know wincing when you you know invite. Oh there goes.
Speaker 1:Luke, oh, he's gone what? A fucking loser.
Speaker 2:Oh God, luke is the youngest of us and it's a very coming of age kind of thing to like wince at your vices. You know that you're indulging in alcohol or smoking or whatever you know you get. You have the person drinking it for, like. Even in this movie, the kid drink is for is like what the fuck is that?
Speaker 1:well, I mean to be fair, he also, uh, witnessed his dad trying to get some puss, so he was having to touch the stuff, not even trying, not trying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it doesn't fail at getting puss bus.
Speaker 1:So my favorite part about him is that he played Charlie Chaplin, the little pickpocket in Shanghai Nights, the sequel to Shanghai Noon, starring Owen Wilson and Jackie Chan.
Speaker 2:That's super funny.
Speaker 1:I did not know that about Mr Aaron Taylor Johnson. Yeah, he was in Shanghai Nights. Was he as dreamy in that? He was not. Know that about sir aaron taylor johnson. Yeah, he was, uh, he was in, uh, shanghai nights. Was he as dreamy in?
Speaker 2:that he was a child. Yeah, he was like 12. Oh no, was this a weinstein production?
Speaker 1:like we're ready to sell out. All right, we're, we're, we're. Yeah, it's time. Um so, all right, uh, so well. One thing I also want to tackle with you guys real quick. Um, I was thinking about our rating system and you know, tell me I'm a fucking moron, or you know. See what you have to think.
Speaker 2:You're a fucking moron.
Speaker 1:What if we made some sort of adjustment, I don't know, maybe taking the story portion of our thing there and adjusting it based on the genre of film that we are watching? Because I think what?
Speaker 2:do you?
Speaker 1:mean. So, like for horror we look at. So you want to weight it Based on the genre. If we decide to watch a romance romance, did it make you feel romantical? You know, like, if there's some way to differentiate, because I think every review platform available it's just very arbitrary.
Speaker 2:Godfather's going to be at the top, um, and then you know, that's I feel like I mean we can definitely point it out more, but I feel like we already rate movies kind of based on their genre and what they're trying to do. I don't like I I've never gone into it and been like, wow, that horror movie didn't make me you know what I mean like I didn't. Yeah, I, I, uh, I feel like we are more inside, but we could like point it out more, like how it made us feel, did it do what it's intended? I think, because we added because we have other categories, we, we have the ways in which those categories make us feel appropriate to the genre already. Yeah, that's like part, part of how we we score. It is like did did a movie make me feel creepy, whether that's from the story or the acting or the cinematography. We cover the ways that those categories get the bonuses already because they're influential to them.
Speaker 1:That's how I feel. Well, I like what you're saying, and we also described our rating system more and we just jumped into our rating system. So, fellas, we saw this film this weekend. It's fresh in our minds. How do we feel? What did we like? Let's get some ratings down there. Luke, you want to kick us?
Speaker 2:off. First thing we got to say about Luke Tell him Luke.
Speaker 2:He told me right before we started First things, I've never seen either of the two movies before this, so I've only seen. 28 Years Later. I did read, I read, you know, an overview of the movies, just so I had an idea of what story I was going into. And also I literally drove home from the movies and then got on. So, as fresh, as fresh-minded as I can, as I can be, for the movies, can I ask you a question really quick, before we start what did you expect this movie was going to be before you went in? What did you expect this movie was going gonna be like a zombie, just a zombie kind of horror um movie.
Speaker 2:Uh in all honesty like a straightforward action, kind of like kills, kills on no I thought it was gonna be like a horror truly scary movie like something that was meant to be very scary um to the point.
Speaker 2:Like I'm walking into the theater. As you guys know, horror is not my top genre, but walking in theater I'm like like trying to think, think of things and compare it with my, with my partner. I'm like, so is it like scarier than the walking dead? Or like what? Are we just trying to gauge it? So, um, that's kind of my very first thoughts when I was like just reading the synopsis, I thought it was going to be like a scary movie. So obviously saw some previews, but I thought it was going to be like kind of like trying to be more horror, not so much action at all, like really trying to like set tone and scare you.
Speaker 1:Okay, interesting, okay yeah, well then would you like to just, uh, take the helm and give us your ratings, tell us what you thought yeah.
Speaker 2:So, uh, like, with that being said, I do think that it was a pretty solid movie as a standalone, like I didn't think it necessarily, um, it told the story that it needed to tell. Without it, I feel like it isn't really attached to the other movies, while I I think like it did have some bringbacks. I think Killian Murphy was in the original movie and he was a infected in this one, so it turns out not the case. Oh no, not the case. Okay.
Speaker 1:So that was, that was yeah that's what I kind of thought.
Speaker 2:That would have been cool.
Speaker 1:Turns out to the next several sequ too.
Speaker 2:That would have been cool.
Speaker 1:Turns out he's tied on to the next several sequels.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Okay. So and the zombie in question.
Speaker 1:Well, the zombie in question, they just kind of used it as a. Well, they looked like him and they kind of used it as a marketing ploy. But yeah, it was credited as a different actor and they finally came out and said you heard it here first folks Debunked. You heard it here first and second. That was high and dry. But no, it was debunked and then they released it. No, that's not him, but we did sign his little Irish ass up for the next two.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, well, but yeah, just going through it. It acting, I thought was actually really good. I thought that a lot of the people who were in this movie delivered well. Obviously, child actors are hit or miss. Um, they're earlier in their careers. They can either really show up and I thought that, uh, the guy is his kid's name's, alfie williams.
Speaker 2:I thought he did a really good job. I I thought that he portrayed a scared child how it should, like he really would be if he because like that could have easily been cheesy and him, you know, just kind of like seem scared, but he's like more excited. And I think he delivered the emotions really well. And I also thought that even the guy, the Eric the soldier he wasn't in the movie a long, long time but really pulled me in for the moments that he was in the movie. I really enjoyed his performance. And then Ralph, our man, lord Voldemort, as always, was really good, yeah, fantastic. I thought, like God, he just and I think Aaron Taylor Johnson did a better performance than some others. I don't know if that just fits his personality better, I don't know if that like, but uh, he was really good at this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's some movies where I'm like, ah, he was just a hot like a good looking guy in the movie, but then there's ones where he's a corpse fucker.
Speaker 1:And technically this is a this is a.
Speaker 2:This is a three part, so there's still time for him to be a corpse fucker. They had nothing to stop us yet, but yeah, acting was really good Time to get some of those books he does not get rejected. Get him some of that rage. Nothing hits him.
Speaker 1:He's actually inoculated himself to the disease from all the books.
Speaker 2:We know iodine works. That's all. Dip his dick in iodine and go for it uh the cinematography I thought was uh interesting.
Speaker 2:I thought some shots were really good. I think there wasn't any. They didn't do anything revolutionary in my opinion. I thought I don't know if you guys saw they did like a lot of angled um camera shots, um, I don't know like I it was. I felt like it was just to be jarring and almost just like, oh, like just weird to look at, like while you're looking at the screen, um, so like there were. There were some points where I thought it was interesting. What if I told you, luke, would you be surprised if you heard that this movie was shot on an iphone 15?
Speaker 1:I heard max.
Speaker 2:I was told that there's some shots from an iphone. Yes, I would believe it, but I still think that like it was good, like nothing, nothing took away from it. I also thought that like they did some freeze frames on some of the early um infected kills and I thought that was kind of cool. I don't know. I enjoyed it. So cinematography was pretty solid. The soundtrack I did like I thought it was interesting and I thought they did some weird choices with it, like somewhere. I'm like what the fuck? But like it did set a different tone, I don't know. It was just really interesting, especially that whole scene of the skull being put up, and I was just like I remember like distinctly being like what is this song that they've chosen?
Speaker 1:it feels like a, like a truly spiritual moment well, I'm like, I really liked, because normally you know the soundtrack, we kind of, you know, we lose track of it as viewers. I was really paying attention this time I was taking I never lost it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, couldn't escape it. I.
Speaker 1:I thought at first I thought it was reminiscent of uh cause I also watched 28 days later today just to sort of refresh myself on it before I went into the theater and it was, the music was super reminiscent of that early two thousands kind of indie punk feel um that we had in the first 28 days later. Um, I, I personally indie punk feel um that we had in the first 28 days later. Um, I, I personally loved the touch, I, I thought it, uh, I thought it added a lot in my opinion I do.
Speaker 2:I agree 100. I thought it was. I thought it was very, very um and, like you said, something that we look over quite a bit. I feel like here, like not that, not on purpose. Sometimes I'm really trying, but sometimes it just does. It's very hard to pull you into the soundtrack. I thought they did it. I thought it was really cool. The story plot I also did enjoy. I mean, there was, like I said, for it to be a standalone. I think that that's kind of interesting, that like, even if you didn't get into the franchise, to still enjoy it. I also thought that it was in.
Speaker 2:I heard this before as well, but I, because of that, I really was watching. It's almost like a split story too. It's almost like a coming of age with a father and son and then a completely different turn of this, like twisted acceptance of death and like a son. Like it was like a quick coming. Oh yeah, son, your first time all the way to like hey, dude, you gotta be cool with dying. I know you. Just you're 12 and a day all right, oh no 28 days.
Speaker 2:So it's your 12 and 28 days later you, uh, you gotta accept that so except that your dad's on the prowl all the time yeah, you gotta accept it yeah, that's what. Yeah, that's what dr ian kelson was there to do for him was just teaching that uh getting pusses okay and that death is gonna come for you sometime. So and it just gets your butt, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then he and basically also taught him that, uh, dying like a zombie is the worst way to die. Don't, that's, that's not the way to go. So we're gonna like just just, I thought that was interesting too, um, but yeah. And then rewatchability I thought I would watch it again. Actually, I think that I'm going to now watch the franchise, um, in order, and kind of just get it, just just enjoy something that I um have kind of discovered and I did, I did, I'll probably watch it again. I don't know if I'll watch it a shit ton, but I definitely will watch it.
Speaker 2:That's my whole thoughts on it. I'm very interested to hear what you guys have to say what are your scores. Scores are going to be a 4.5 for acting, 3.5 for cinematography, 4 for story. Soundtrack is going to be a 4 and rewatchability a three oh, and can you do the math for us there?
Speaker 1:what does that put luke's scores at?
Speaker 2:um, that is going to be well, we'll now, we'll do the full score, full score. We always do full score well, also get so.
Speaker 1:When you get to me, though, give me my score, just so I could pop it up on the old letterbox okay, okay okay. Well, james, what did you think?
Speaker 2:all right. So it's really interesting, coming in from the other direction, where I had seen, uh, the original and I watched the, the sequel recently, um. So the first one definitely has that more of a like frenetic, like hand shot, you know version, handheld shot version, you know where it's more? It almost they almost got some of it to look low budget like the scenes didn't cost very much. That's what the first, that's what you're going to recognize when you watch the first one, luke um, is that it was shot on kind of like a shitty digital camera back in the day and I think that's why they did the iphone I it.
Speaker 2:They may have been trying to get that feel of like a uh, of like not being super polished, of being like really, you know, get it, get it done with what you have. Resources are scarce kind of thing. A lot of times that's like what innovates film is when resources are actually kind of scarce. You have to make decisions to like make, shoot, make your film better with less money and stuff and and a lot of those innovations are just better than what you can do with money. It's like it changes film forever and there was a, there was this like revolution and 28 days later was part of it where movies started getting filmed that way and it's like more frenetic and more handheld and more motion and stuff. And that was one of like, the big things about the original was that it had a lot of motion like when they were back to the old scenes and stuff like that it felt like I agree with that.
Speaker 2:I was kind of like oh, this is interesting. I took note of them cutting back to the arrows being shot and stuff that wouldn't cost a lot of money to throw that in the movie. It's already a made scene.
Speaker 1:It's also interesting. You said that it's going to be like a weird statement I make like you know, uh, whoever the fuck's gonna fact check it? But I've actually, um, created, directed and, um, you know, made haunted houses in las vegas, kuwait city, um, kuwait, and it was always on like 500 bucks, and so we had to rely on like super simple things, but we had to be creative enough to like really get in your fucking head on 500 bucks. So I definitely agree where with where you're coming at right there. Like, I mean, at one point it was just a matter of taking a plastic mask, covering a guy's face on it, putting him in a dress and then letting him just stab a kitchen counter, uh it cost ten dollars, but the effects were fantastic did what it needed to do and like, like you said, like for uh.
Speaker 2:You got to be creative when you're in a tight budget situation like that, which is, um, exactly what what I feel like they were trying to portray in this one as well, and interesting to say that that that's where this guy came from. That like style um was from 28 days later well, it was definitely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it was an innovator in that period, for sure, and it also had, like it did also an old style movie thing where it like took a break from the frenetic stuff, like I almost compare it to like butch cassidy and the sundance kid. There's like a scene in the middle of the movie where, like they ride around on a bicycle and it's like eight minutes of them riding around on bicycles and and it's something that like old movies used to do and like this one 28 days later definitely did it. And this one did kind of too, where it like took, it took, took a tour with him and his mom and stuff, where it was like chill and they enjoyed their journey and stuff and and uh yeah, just took a break from the craziness and there was music to match the entire time. Acting okay, so I'll give the categories. So, acting I give it a 4.5. I thought the acting was really good.
Speaker 2:Cinematography I think that they carried on their frenetic motion of the fast infected, but they also added this wonderful opposite with the slow crawling infected, where they had all these high shots and off, you know, off in the distance, wide shots and like hanging overhead and then down all the way at the ground of like to build suspense from like this angle of like inevitability, and I thought they did such an amazing job with the cinematography and we give that a 4.5 to soundtrack.
Speaker 2:Uh, super memorable. And I think this is really important to also say when we're talking about these filmmakers is they're very, uh, they're very in your face. They're what's it called? Diagrammatic, uh, diagrammatic where they like draw out a diagram for what the movie's about, where they kind of tell you specifically and we'll talk about that in golden path about what this movie is about, uh, but the soundtrack is that they're're telling us what mood we're supposed to have, how we're supposed to be thinking about. The scene with the music made us interpret that as like a holy, sacred event, uh, of like, of like healing and enlightenment.
Speaker 2:But different music would have made that us view that scene totally differently and this movie was really obvious about it and and then they're, and they are really obvious about all the themes of this movie and there's time to get into it. But, story and plot. I thought the oh shit, I didn't give soundtrack Soundtrack. I give it a 4.5. Because sometimes it was incredibly jarring. But I guess that's kind of life, huh.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it's jarring 4.5.
Speaker 2:No, 4.5 is good Story and plot. I thought the plot was it. It got me so. So this is the thing I talk about a lot with movies where they have really big offers is they have to get you right. They have to get you on board, and I think that this movie got me on board to overlook some really stupid shit like how much, like how, like this blood-borne rage virus, like they are not careful about getting blood spray, like all fucking over the place. They weren't in the first movie either.
Speaker 1:It's cool In the first movie and 28 days later they were serious about it. But there were times when I was like what the fuck are you doing? Machete is not the way to go.
Speaker 2:You got blood everywhere. We can't ruin it for yes, yes, especially.
Speaker 2:It's one of the saddest scenes yeah, it's like the saddest scene, but like the, the, the effects of one drop of rage blood is like well on display in the first movie. Like one drop is all it takes uh and um, and so you'll see when you watch it. Yeah, um, but yeah, like you can over if a movie can get you on board and keep you interested and get you to say that actually doesn't matter because that's not what they're trying to do. They're actually telling me what they're trying to do. They're not just they're. If they tell you what they're trying to do, you know, to tell you this like folklore, this like post apocalyptic folklore. Uh, you have to overlook some things, uh, and they got me on board, uh, but it does. But it is a slight hit. So I'm going to give it a four and rewatch ability. I'll definitely rewatch this movie again. I'll give it a five fantastic.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, um did really well in my book. I not, honestly, I'd have to agree so watching this movie um, I personally. So I remember when this movie first came out, like the series first came out, early 2000s. I mean we, james you and I, we had a friend who was just freaking obsessed with it um, and who was obsessed with it um, we had him on the show once a gentleman by the name of ed um ed was obsessed with this movie.
Speaker 2:I didn't know I I really liked this movie at this time. At that time, ed and I would have had great conversations about it, I'm sure well and uh, it it, it off.
Speaker 1:It was part of that initial kickoff for the zombie craze that had happened at that time. Um, I mean, you were either, you know, fucking team vampire, team zombie back in that day and um, but the people, some people were just absolutely obsessed with 28 days later and I I just absolutely obsessed with 28 days later and I re-watched it again today.
Speaker 2:Man, it was like one of the first fast zombies. It may be the first and fast zombies are scary, I mean, and it brought it blew up it brought us killian murphy.
Speaker 1:I mean, the movie starts, for sure with his uh, fucking ungroomed penis. Um, yeah, uh, so a lot to see there. A lot to see there, um, you're ruining the movie for him. He could have got that surprise on his own, like oh, that's killian's dick, um, but uh, he may not be able to see it.
Speaker 2:I've heard that the versions on the internet are fucking horribly corrupted, so I'm sorry. Yeah, well, that's bullshit, yeah so that's tough.
Speaker 1:They also cut out the initial scene where the entire rage virus is created by aaron taylor johnson fucking a pangolin just getting that puss, um, but uh.
Speaker 1:So anyway, as I was saying. So that first one it had a lot of that early 2000s indie sort of punk filming. The music was very similar and watching this movie it was very reminiscent of that. The hard cuts to other footage, I thought, really added a lot to it, even just the archery sequences where it was illustrating our steps backwards in time, um, and then, as we saw this culture developing out of uh catastrophe, um, that was very interesting to me. I also loved their additions to the zombies. I always really it's not entirely original the things they add, like the bloating zombies we've seen it before. The alpha zombies we've seen before.
Speaker 2:Have we seen alpha zombies with giant fucking dicks? Have we?
Speaker 1:So most recently. So it's mostly been done in video games.
Speaker 2:Change my note 4.5 for story.
Speaker 1:It's mostly been done in video games Change my note 4.5 for story. It's mostly been done in video games, but most recently it was done in the Zack Snyder Dawn of the Dead film. That was absolutely ass. Zack Snyder just cannot win on this show.
Speaker 2:Was that the mall one?
Speaker 1:No, no, it was the Las Vegas strip one where I like the mall one.
Speaker 2:no, no, it was the las vegas strip, one where I like the mall one no different, different, totally um, but the newest one on netflix by zach snyder.
Speaker 1:There's a general zombie who even has like a zombie army of the dead, army of the dead. Army of the dead, that's it. Trash, trash right, yeah um, and but. So we had an alpha zombie there and he even had a girlfriend. So it's it's not entirely original, but the way they did it I felt was fresh. And the way they did it I also felt was super suspenseful. Um, the way they just had him just sort of standing there next to the tree. I thought those shots were really good.
Speaker 1:Very menacing. Very menacing Even when Ralph Fiennes was able to stop him and he gave him a name Now he's Samson now. But then he catches him to sort of like pay back that moment of his own weakness there, like, yeah, you could get him with the dart, but uh, you should probably get the fuck out of there. Um, I thought that was great. I enjoyed all of that. Um, the acting I thought was really good. I was and they got me really good there. I thought that aaron taylor johnson was going to die in that first scene there and now it was just going to be some like the kid revenge arc. But no, then he goes, he survives, he goes on a hunt for puss and that's the child to do this life changing thing. I just cannot go back to a father who has these carnal needs in his heart and I thought that was very surprising to me.
Speaker 2:so I enjoyed that. I thought that was more about him feeling betrayed. Everyone lied to this child, everyone kept lying to this child and that's what he was discovering was everyone in his life was lying but at the same time it's like bud.
Speaker 1:Look, we're all trying to survive here. Your frontal lobe is not going to develop for the next 15 fucking years.
Speaker 2:All right, they, they she tried to tell aaron taylor johnson he usually we wait until they're a little older yeah, and she was right, she was right he's with the jumpsuit cult now.
Speaker 1:So but, um, I, uh, I, I. I really went into this and I wasn't sure because I didn't really care for the first one. To be entirely percent honest with you, I like it, maybe the first 40 of 28 days later, and then after that it just sort of falls off for me. This one I did enjoy until the end, so I really walked out of the theater happy about it.
Speaker 2:So for me you liked the original Up to the Bicycle, Like Up to the Bicycle Scene Analog that I was talking about.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And then you were like Bicycle Scene Analog didn't do it for you.
Speaker 1:Well, and just the story. And it kind of started happening in this one as well. Where the story goes into, the real monster is man and I'm like, yeah, I know I'm a human, fucking being. I am well aware and that's where it lost me. I know that man is bad, but I came here for zombies. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1:So for me, uh, this film acting I can't think of anyone who really dragged it down. Um, I'm going to give it a 4.5,. Uh, cinematography I thought was unique. I thought it was also reminiscent. I couldn't find anything that really dragged it down for me. I'm also going to go 4.5 right there. Um, really dragged it down for me. I'm also going to go 4.5 right there. Um, soundtrack I thought was also fantastic. It was, it was unique to me and it did provide a lot to it. I'm also going to go 4.5 right there. Story that came down a little bit for me, um, just because, like, they introduced a lot of things right there but we're harry potteringing it and turning it into this three-parter. For that I'm going to go 3.5. And re-watchability is it my new Christmas movie? No, but I am definitely going to watch.
Speaker 2:It's my new Christmas movie.
Speaker 1:But I am definitely going to watch it again, so I'm going to go 4 right there for me.
Speaker 2:I'm glad you brought watch it again. So I'm going to go four right there for me. I'm glad you brought up the Christmas analog because it totally was. It totally is like a Jesus analog. You would round down to a four out of five right.
Speaker 1:Four out of five for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:So yeah, you could go ahead and check out my new letterboxd score hidden right now letterboxd score hitting right now yeah and I and for a full, high and dry official score of a four out of five, uh, stars, I think I actually was the one that drug it down the most, um, but yeah, that's probably also because this is not my favorite genre, so that might be the reason why I? Did, and that might be a good thing if they did. I don't want to watch it.
Speaker 2:That might be the reason why I didn't, and that might be a good thing, If they did, I don't want to watch it, and that might be a good thing. What genre is this? How do you know what genre this is? I don't know. It was definitely creepy. It had me on the edge of my seat almost not necessarily literally, but it definitely was suspenseful, kind of a suspenseful movie. I wouldn't call it a horror though, but suspenseful kind of a suspense, I wouldn't call it a horror though, because but suspenseful, yeah, and again like very good storytelling for a horror movie.
Speaker 2:It also definitely there was a lot of gore in this movie and they definitely kind of like made you kind of used to it, to where we're like is it a horror movie?
Speaker 1:no, you're right it's totally that guy gets a lot of ripped off like yeah, that's yeah, there was a lot of head ripping, a lot of head ripping, um yeah, the penis was in the shot the whole time.
Speaker 2:It was the head and the penis like, oh yeah, head and like people.
Speaker 1:If you're looking for, uh, aaron taylor johnson getting puss.
Speaker 2:If you're looking for head and penis, this is this is the place to go um, but a four out of five is very good for us. That's.
Speaker 1:That's a very high score that's's a very strong score, and I, because our last film was Until Dawn, which was just ass.
Speaker 2:This was definitely a palate cleanser.
Speaker 1:This was a horror palate cleanser, for sure.
Speaker 2:This movie made me have thoughts about things Speaking of thoughts about things A provoking thought.
Speaker 1:Speaking of thoughts about things. I actually had a provoking thought. Speaking of thoughts about things it is time to dive on into the next portion.
Speaker 2:Oh, I meant, yeah, next portion, next portion, that's what.
Speaker 1:I meant too Well, it's time for our second bit here. It's time to get on the golden path. We've had the alcohol and drugs coursing through our system. It's time for one more hit, one more shot, one more Ripski, one more Ripski, dude. This one goes out to a pretty decent horror film.
Speaker 2:Cheers. I'm really happy I went and saw this one, Really really happy. It's like an art house film.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, that's's nice really good budget and stuff, but I had to add the feel of an art house film in that it was. It was, it was very thought-provoking, like what you would consider as normally too thought-provoking for most audiences, even though they're very diagrammatic about it. Where they like are like okay, listen, he's going out like so many of millions of our species have gone out before for the first time with a bow and arrow to prove their manly hood. You know, whatever that looks like across cultures and it's like we all pick that up immediately. Is everybody gonna pick that up just because that? Because I'm sure there's some people out there who are going to be like why did they flash those scenes from other people's?
Speaker 1:shows.
Speaker 2:Why are they showing me this and just totally blind to it?
Speaker 1:Without a doubt. Oh yeah, no, your average Avengers fan, your average Fast and the Furious franchise enjoyer and your average Zack Snyder aficionado are not going to appreciate anything in this film, Except for the Taylor Johnson getting pussed. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I like that he was performing oral sex on her, which is yeah.
Speaker 1:And you know it was right down there. We're in the apocalypse.
Speaker 2:So one bit of sex we saw was the dude going down, which is pretty great. Movies have come a long way.
Speaker 1:Look, taylor Johnson, some serious green flags to mix with his red flags in this movie. He'll punch a hole in the drywall, but he is super giving well, he's super giving winnie's heart.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, this is more about his ego, about, yeah, about, about pleasing her.
Speaker 1:It's not actually about her well, he's thinking three steps ahead, because he knows she's gonna to go back to the apocalypse water cooler, you know and she's going to tell some stories about that fucking tongue of his and that's going to just bring more business his way. So I see what he was doing Well. So, james, what are your deeper thoughts of this film? What did you want to dive into here?
Speaker 2:Hold on, I've got to put on my wetsuit. Be careful about all this diving. Gotta safety first. I'm not certified for this. Give yourself a little break. Dive too much bad for you. So this, like I said, this movie is like very in your face about it's, very in your face about its lessons it wants you to learn. We talked about how it does it, from the music to the cinematography to the plot, like the, the baby getting born, to like this, this mother, who, who? It's like a virgin birth. Right, we have no idea who this mother is. We're like how the fuck is one of these things pregnant?
Speaker 1:it seems like the alpha. I think it's fairly obvious. No, no, no, no. I think the alpha was the father, taylor Johnson, was out there running through those woods for a long fucking time Listen we don't go by the fire, I go by the fire. We know what happened. Okay, yeah, we know exactly what happened.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we know exactly what happened, but it's like. It's almost like a redemption for humanity, like the virus didn't get to this baby and you know it feels sometimes it's overwrought, but it's also. It's also. I'm so happy to see a movie. Just be clear about this like it's slightly thought provoking, but then immediately clear.
Speaker 1:They understand. Your audience is going to probably be dumb.
Speaker 2:They do a good job of bridging the gap between, like mentally simulating and also easily digested, because I certainly felt like I had like it. I thought about the movie for like a few hours after it was over and then my mind shut off about it and I just digested it and I was like, oh yeah, okay, great, hell yeah, I have almost no questions about the movie, but it also feel for somehow I feel fulfilled by it.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I even like that. That's makes me think of how I thought to myself, how it was weird. They just left and it was a boy set in the fire, um, and they just like in my head I thought they would like pan back and like show a little bit like like him trying to be like I'm going out looking for him, um, and they didn't, and instead of them kind of like going in and showing like that him wanting to find his son, it just like it's a quick clip back at the end of him, just kind of being like uh, running out to the gate after like the baby was dropped off. Like at no point before that was he like um, like I don't know, like trying to get out. It was just like um, like I don't know, like trying to get out.
Speaker 2:It was just odd to me that they didn't like check that off and it just felt obvious that they were like okay, cool, quick check off there. You're happy with that like? And it did. But it did it for me. I was like, yep, cool, thank god you resolved that.
Speaker 2:I was scared, I was worried you wouldn't okay, all right yeah, I mean, I think this movie is just very clearly like a coming of age story and it's very interesting that, like this movie, if you would replace the zombies with any other kind of like challenge or something that felt scary, it would be just another coming of age story and I really love that horror is doing this more.
Speaker 2:I think we talked about that recently about sci-fi, probably, where it's like sci-fi can be any movie. Yeah, I think we talked about that recently about sci-fi, probably where it's like sci-fi can be any movie. Yeah, I think we talked about it with spaceman maybe, or star, but was it starship troopers?
Speaker 2:I don't know, but yeah like or no it's been proven time and time again that horror can be pretty much any movie, and it's doing it again. Now it's a. It's been proven time and time again that horror can be pretty much any movie, and it's doing it again now it's a coming of age. When's the last time you saw a coming of age story? There's like monsters and, oh shit, what was it incoming.
Speaker 2:Godzilla. But nothing good, right? Nothing good like it's been tried before and this one was finally one that, like, took the premise mildly seriously and wasn't like tongue in cheek the whole time.
Speaker 1:I enjoyed about the coming of age portion was the use of mirrors in the camera shots. We captured a lot of mirror work in the beginning is super hard. Start this film, by the way, where they're just like let's kill some children watching Teletubbies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like God damn rough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, let's dive on in. But then they used a mirror for that and that was Aaron Taylor Johnson's coming of age, right there, and taylor johnson's coming of age right there, um, and then his son later on sees him getting ready to ascend the staircase to check on his cancer-ridden dementia wife through a mirror and seeing, like, like, what this being adult is. And you see, you see Aaron's character, just sort of like, fuck, I got to go up there again, I got to do what I got to do. And he heads up the stairs and then flash forwards. When he's putting the skull up there and things like that, the mirror comes back again and it's just so. I appreciated that, I thought that was, I liked it, I enjoyed the use of that mirror as the like, the metaphor of him, uh, growing and taking in these like defining moments yeah, it's almost like a reflection of the audience, as like the of the human experience.
Speaker 2:We all can see ourselves in these characters, because we've all had. We've all had to prove ourselves and we've all found out that our dads are liars.
Speaker 1:We've all found out that our dads are all pusshounds. Ain't that the fucking truth? And goddammit if I didn't take right after him.
Speaker 2:I saw my own mirror. It was a human experience.
Speaker 1:I saw my own mirror as I was putting my mother's skull on a pyramid of skulls. So I get it. You know, I, I get it, um, but but so, as I was going forward, I liked the use of the mirrors. Um, I liked, uh, some of the exposition in here. I thought it wasn't painful, exposition like when father and son are talking along the causeway, that changes based on the tide um, I liked it, it worked, and they kept doing those sort of hard cuts and flashes that that made it okay. Um, I I liked, uh, the culture mutations that happened over these 28 years. Um, I, uh, yeah, so I the one of the comments, I, so I'm right now I'm reading through the notes that I'm taking in the middle of this theater, you know, lighting up a bright screen, so the people behind me are just having a terrible time.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, you bet. I know you didn't do that, I know you didn't, you know I didn't do that.
Speaker 1:I know you didn't, you know I didn't, I know you didn't, but those people are awful.
Speaker 2:There was someone on their phone in front of me yesterday when I went to go see how to train your dragon in 3D and it was incredibly distracting.
Speaker 1:I was trying to look at the fucking dragons not the phone, but one of my comments here was the CGI deer deer sucked like you should have kept cgi out of this thing. They looked terrible, but anyway, but anyway um but then people are the real monster.
Speaker 1:The lesson still hasn't changed and, like, I fucking get it. I know, but that's not what I'm here for. And um, it hasn't changed since the first film and I felt that parts of it ripped it apart. So I'm here for and um, it hasn't changed since the first film and I felt that parts of it ripped it apart. So I'm happy that this film was able to kind of fucking pull out of that particular nosedive and made me interested again in this alpha. I want to know what he's doing. I want to know what these, this tracksuit cult, is doing um, yeah, well, I will do it.
Speaker 1:Oh good, sorry, finish your thought well, I think that a bunch of people are going to see that at the end and think that's goofy. Um, but from where I'm coming from, um, as you know, with you know a degree in cultural anthropology and that sort of mindset, like no, that that's actually very, a very possible situation where these guys would find a clothing like that, start aligning themselves in a way that became ideological in the way they dressed. And I mean, we've, we've, historically, we've had people drink kool-aid wearing that exact same outfit, so like. So I'm sure a bunch of people saw that and like, well, this is just turned goofy. I, I was watching it, do you?
Speaker 2:think that was a Jonestown reference. Yes or no?
Speaker 1:no heaven's gate, heaven's gate, heaven's gate. And I think we're going to see that, that you don't encounter people that are that good at killing, dressing the same and being that, uh, you know, motivated in the ways they are together, without some sinister ideology behind it, and we're definitely going to deal with that. In the second one. I feel, and in my opinion, in these sort of apocalyptic scenarios we would see a lot of cults springing up, and the movie started with Aaron Taylor Johnson's father essentially just giving himself to his religion.
Speaker 2:That was not Aaron Taylor Johnson. That was the guy at the end. That's Jimmy.
Speaker 1:That's Jimmy. That's the tracksuit guy.
Speaker 2:Tracksuit guy's dad.
Speaker 1:Is that what it was? Yeah, because of the cross that he's wearing. Yeah, yeah, it's tracksuit guy's dad, I literally put Jimmy coming full circle.
Speaker 2:To be a part of a murderous boy band was my favorite part.
Speaker 1:Fucking hell. I didn't even catch that, because when they did the hard cut to the kid it looked like the same kind of kid, and so when they showed his dad, I kind of assumed that was when the movie started.
Speaker 2:that's what I did think. But then, as I saw the cross, I was like oh, that's Jimmy.
Speaker 1:Maybe I'd been drinking too much then.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's, that's wild, but the whole thing is interesting too, because I actually said that it's the coming home party, like after he got his kill and stuff, and it felt culty, like you said, multiple cults, like tracks, you guys were holds, but that whole fucking that, that little town they had on the island was a cult. Like the way they like like ID, like we little town they had on the island was a cult. Like the way they like like id, like were proud of this kid, like having those were humans that they were killing, like the like at the end of the day, like don't get me wrong, like infected or not, but like there's some humanity to that. Um, and I think one of the obvious golden path thoughts like that I actually had was like the beginning of the movie was his father teaching him that basically killing is cool. That's what makes you a man if you can kill these infected people, that.
Speaker 2:But then it's not. And then somehow it just goes to Ralph Fiennes teaching his boy what what like is actually makes you a man and it's understanding that death is real but like you can obviously there's better ways to die live your life like I feel like it was like kind of like that's what it was like split into two almost. This is not what was good. This is like what death is about. It's not about just like killing is affected, like they're and he understands their people.
Speaker 2:samson gives him a name. Um, yeah, like I feel like so it was. It's pretty obviously like two parts, like now, but good, yeah, and piggybacking off that he like it was what, it was what his dad and their culture was hiding from him, which is well, no, the culture wasn't either, because the lady showed the graves when they left. They're like, listen, we understand death here, but dad, his dad, didn't really want to acknowledge failure. Maybe failure was what he didn't want to acknowledge. And Ralph Fiennes is like listen, failures, successes, whatever, no matter what, you're going to die and I'm going to take your mom, I'm going to roast her in a big tank.
Speaker 1:You're going to climb your ass up to the top of that skull.
Speaker 2:Here, boy, have some morphine. We're just gonna go kill your mother real quick, like what I was. Like this is absolute, but I do think it was kind of thrown in your face, but it still was like kind of an interesting theme to me, like a, like a meaning, but it is like you said there. I felt like it was just like this is exactly what we're trying to tell you. Like it split into like almost two different like parts to a movie. There should have been a as the first and second act.
Speaker 1:almost Also, but on that point. So I had sort of a moment in the theater. So this weekend, um, and a lot of people listening are going to be like well, it's just a fricking mouse, but um, listening are gonna be like, well, it's just a freaking mouse, but um. So in my house we had two, two rats um, I bought them three years ago and I've grown very attached, and this one in particular. Um, I had grown very attached to um. I'm allergic to rats, by the way, but I, I bought them for my, um, for my son and um, uh, when he first came he was like super afraid of everyone. So I kind of picked his little fat ass up and I just pet his head while my face is fucking drowning from my allergies. But I just held this mouse for 30 minutes and I became very attached to him. He passed away yesterday.
Speaker 2:Oh, sorry to hear that man.
Speaker 1:But it was peaceful. About Friday. Today, sunday, when we're recording friday, I could tell that something was off with him. He was breathing differently and like, and he's three years old that's he's very old for a rat, um, and I could just tell that he's on his way out and he was super friendly for those last couple of days.
Speaker 1:He was, uh, resting on his brother a lot Another rat I have, um, and I just knew, like, ah, poe Barry, you're about to call it a day, aren't you? But I, I didn't have to put him down, um, I, I got to be with him those days and then he just went to sleep. And so what ralph fines character was saying in this movie to me today, um, about, like, we're all gonna die and you wanted, and the best we can do is for it to be peaceful and gentle and like, and that's what I experienced this weekend with po bear the rat was that, yeah, the best we can do is peaceful and gentle it was because ralph finds also understood that he knew what was coming her losing her mind.
Speaker 2:Like this was just the beginning, it's gonna get much worse, kind of thing. Like she's gonna, um, let's just go ahead like humane, still psycho, like he is like so detached from like, like like remorse, so I don't know, maybe not, but like it feels like he's just like, yeah, we just let's kill him and burn a little insane. I think we only have part of this story, so this. I know this isn't necessarily golden path, but I have like predictions for the future. Like this is. I don't. I want to see if you guys also came to these conclusions, because it's because one thing I don't think, one thing I think, uh, we might disagree on, is that ralph finds is actually a bad, not a good guy. I think I think that ralph finds is actually, uh, like a rage shepherd, like he like has this flock of like rage people, and I think that maybe he tried to. I think that he may have encouraged this baby that they found he, he looked like I don't know if his reaction was right.
Speaker 2:You know when he told, I agree I think that, but you should go home, yeah, and take that baby to your home, and I think that maybe that baby, like, is a carrier of the virus or I don't know, but I think perhaps. Ralph Fiennes is not a good guy, I agree of them and he's, you know he's like. Oh, this is samson. Samson, by the way, was uh famous in the bible for raping and impregnating delilah like that was the based on the language of hair.
Speaker 1:Yeah and um, yeah, so just saying it's an infected, it's an infected.
Speaker 1:Infected baby, so like it has to be infected yeah, I mean, and if you can pick up on those sort of references, because they were very big about references. And yeah, samson raped Delilah. There's a pregnant zombie running around, you know too, I mean, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a fucking duck, the way this movie we've been talking all day about how it's so digestible Rage duck we got a rage duck here, boys. So, speaking of rage ducks, it's time to get on to the third portion of this. It's time for the what ifs. It's time to insert ourselves. It's time to insert ourselves into this fucking thing. I think I still have the ballpark button. Yeah, I do. Um, sorry about that everyone. I apologize. I'll never do that again.
Speaker 1:That'll never happen again um, but anyway it's a button I've had here for every, so we're at like episode 80 something. I've had that button the whole time. That's the first time I pressed it.
Speaker 2:It'll never happen again. I can't believe we haven't used that every episode.
Speaker 1:I just said it's gone. Um, so, uh, let's go into this one. Let's dive on in. Um, what would happen if you guys were in this movie? Uh, luke, you want to take this one away first.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be a part of Jimmy's crew for sure. Um, yeah, you look good in a tracksuit, yeah.
Speaker 2:I look good in a tracksuit and I honestly just would. Uh, those guys are psychos, um and for sure, like murdered people in real life, or at least wanted to. Um, and now that they're, it's, you're allowed to. They're like hell. Yeah, they found each other. They all love killing, um, and I just I want to be a part of a crew that really knows what they're doing, and I feel like they do. They're just. They're not only they're not surviving, they're thriving, and that's what I want to do out here With parkour. Yeah, they're looking to fight these. They're not looking like, oh, we run from them, they're like we're hunting them. We love this, and that just feels like a much more or less stressful lifestyle. So I want to be a part of Jimmy's crew and I'm going to start training today to be that good at acrobats and killing zombies.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm excited to follow that journey. We talked about that before the episode started. You guys could follow that at Luke's journey dot com where he's going to get super into parkour and tracksuits. You can purchase his tracksuit now at high and dry dot com.
Speaker 2:LPK Luke Parkmore, and they are suede, so Hell yeah, comes a sweet fucking neck blink. All right, all right. So I guess we'll see the rest of your story in movie number two. Yeah, unfortunately you don't get a lot. I would just be right at the end. You would see me. I would actually be doing a flip, but I'd fall down. I'd still get the kill, but a little bit more stressful, I'm learning. Still, you'd have to be wearing one of those blonde wigs with the bangs.
Speaker 1:I have a bowl cut for sure, bowl cut wig, you know, with with it on nice with the power, with the power of this spear will kill you well, I'm excited for how you and I will interact in this new apocalyptic world um with how I feel, I would, you know, jump into this, um I mean please do tell um, I, yeah, I would be assuming I survived 28 years. Um, I would be a stone cold raider sociopath, um, um, but like my boys out there in tracksuits, so like I'm not gonna encroach, you know, and you know, as long as you guys are doing your thing it's all good we'll.
Speaker 1:We'll still be able to do the podcast, um, I'll send some of my cronies out there to get like a jenny jenny running and we can keep this thing going um, but like keep getting it out to us so for me, I would sort of take it upon myself to to cleanse this world.
Speaker 1:The rage virus needs to die. Um, people need to survive and someone's got to do it without their fucking nonsensical ideologies getting involved, without me fucking hunting for puss every two seconds, um, I I would become this raider king, um, who's just trying to push shit around. We're we're not here to survive, we are here to wipe out every rage virus thing we see um, you remind me of gerard butler's character in how to train your dragon.
Speaker 2:That's how he, that's how he was talked about the dragons it is, it is and then, but then they ended up living together. I doubt that's happening with fucking and ripping. Everyone's trying to make it happen ralph working on it my.
Speaker 1:So my group would have seen ralph fines. He'd be a dead man. You're gone, dude.
Speaker 2:There's no way we can leave this guy alive.
Speaker 1:No, you're doing something.
Speaker 2:He's got morphine darts, we're not dealing with him.
Speaker 1:No, absolutely not. He would have taken two to the back of the head hollow points a long time ago. That would have been a wrap. No, he does not survive in my apocalypse. Um, the mom wouldn't exist in this world. I would recognize that. Hey guys, she has dementia, fucking obviously, um, cancer, some. We can't fix that. All right, she's gots to go and, uh, she would. It'd be very quiet, very peaceful, um, but she's gotta go, so she'd be gone. Uh, ralph finds gone, would you?
Speaker 2:also steam her until her flesh fell from her skull and then add it to your skull mountain no, and that's where me and ralph finds, uh, really defer ideology ideologically.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. Um, yeah, him and I, we have a few deferring, dissenting opinions really, and skull mountain is one of them. Um, so yeah, him and I wouldn't really see eye to eye on Skull Mountain, so that wouldn't work. So he'd be gone, samson would be gone, the mom would be gone.
Speaker 2:I also love how the kid does not think he's crazy. In the end he's like he's not crazy. Dad the Skull. Mountain makes sense If you really think about it. I love that. He sent the message that he's not crazy Fucking wild. He's not crazy, fucking wild. He's not crazy, dad, trust me.
Speaker 1:Oh, no, oh fuck, and you know, and that'd be one of the things that in my culture we would root out. Um, we would be our own cult, you know. But this.
Speaker 2:This is what Danny Boyle was trying to say about like ignorance, like this kid, like the shit that he gets into is just because the society kept him ignorant about this.
Speaker 1:Yes, we would not, we would not, and I promise that to my, my voters, that we will not keep you ignorant, ignorant.
Speaker 2:Allow my alive. I mean, unless you know the worst should befall.
Speaker 1:You allow my we will keep you alive. After that I mean, unless you know the worst should befall you and at that point I really can't save you. So you know, it is what it is. Ralph Fiennes is dead, samson's dead.
Speaker 2:Vote for me in your apocalypse. That sounds like a good apocalypse to me.
Speaker 1:The only reason those tracksuit dudes are still chilling is because me and Luke are friends.
Speaker 2:I ain't about to step on that and the sequel is going to be more of a kill bill style movie of just us and brian's group just murking infected people, just like it's gonna be sweet, we got direct why do you guys assume that my story is not going to also be? Because we both assume that you shot yourself 28 years ago I probably would not be able to shoot myself as a child. I'd probably still think that there was hope. But well before this movie for sure, yeah we were right on track yeah, I'd be.
Speaker 2:When she's like we don't send rescue groups anywhere, that points all the graves.
Speaker 1:That's right like we're almost at episode 90 of this show. I entirely anticipated that me and Luke were still here and James has been dead for some time.
Speaker 2:No, I'm Ralph Fiennes, no changes. Just doing the same thing every day painting. Listen, I like my art, it's what gives me purpose. It's like bathing iodine yeah, alright, that's all 4 out of 5 great film.
Speaker 1:4 out of 5. I absolutely love that. Me and Luke both assumed that you had died some time ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, apocalypses aren't for me. That's the thing. We keep going over apocalypses and doing horror movies and stuff where people are dying left and right. Yeah, I'm probably going to die. The odds are that I'm going to die. Most people have died. Yeah, yeah, statistically you're just more realistic than us, because we're always like we're going to do this, we'll all be dead. We're all too.
Speaker 1:Well and to that point. So someone said something interesting to me this past week, because normally, you know, that's the side I'm on when these things kind of break down. I'm going to be a raider, I'm going to do what I got to fucking do. I'm going to just be a straight-up psychopath. Someone said to me this last week that, like well, to do that you have to burn bridges. And, ryan, I've noticed that you're more about building lifeboats, so I don't really know where I'd wind up.
Speaker 1:Maybe I'd be ralph fine, maybe I'd be samson, I don't know maybe you'd be aaron taylor maybe I'd be just getting out there spreading the virus, getting puss you know making zombie babies, spreading your own kind of virus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're competently killing zombies, you are procreating, you're getting puss Right and you're telling tall tales.
Speaker 1:And it sounds like that might be what you end up as yeah, honestly, he was pretty on. My only kind of break from him would be I don't like the weird religion that's sprouting up in here. I'm gonna stop that um, and I think I would be thrust into a position that I shouldn't be in and that would turn into my cults encroaching on lu cult Him and I would.
Speaker 2:Would you be thrust into it or would you thrust your way to it?
Speaker 1:Well, apparently I would just use my fucking awesome tongue game.
Speaker 2:That's all we need to know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I'm a giver, right, this is 2025. Yeah, it's no longer just fucking an alley. It's me getting on my knees and my son seeing that. Oh, it's about giving, not receiving.
Speaker 2:I think there was a good.
Speaker 1:I thought there was a good lesson to be learned there honestly, it's like what he said for the body hanging.
Speaker 2:He's like there's a lesson.
Speaker 1:He should have looked at him and went there's a lesson, boy, you stay, yeah, you will watch, as I watched my father before me, and then I gotta like pull some hair out of my fucking teeth because it's the apocalypse you see, um can't be using razors for that right.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it really was just like any town, like that's existed for thousands of years, like except for the zombies part like this was just like any town yeah, besides, if you didn't leave that wall like it was normal as hell. Well, besides the cult. But yeah, there was a cult in there, but uh it's like this village of people who have to be together. It's not. They're not like cohesive on subjects, they're all flawed and we could have just stayed in that village and it could have been like a medieval coming of age drama.
Speaker 2:You know, said in like yeah, it'd be a really boring fucking movie, but yeah yeah, this guy watching people have sex behind each other's backs and tell lies and like that's what. That's what's coming to make movies are you know?
Speaker 1:I mean that was like you just described game of thrones. So who knows?
Speaker 2:maybe it was taken off well.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, could be fun. Uh, well, hey, at the end of the day, uh, 28 years later, it's getting a four out of five, super strong score as far as high and dry is concerned. Uh, remember, folks, giving is better than receiving, and if everyone puts that thought into their minds, we're all receiving.
Speaker 2:So, um yeah, well, not if you're all giving to the same person well, I mean he's receiving, I mean he's. I mean he's receiving clitoris on his tongue. But what else is he getting from?
Speaker 1:it. Well, I'm assuming that if we have a town full of people just giving you know someone's getting their dick sucked, they're all giving oral sex to Aaron Taylor Johnson and he's giving oral sex to this other woman.
Speaker 2:This is a weird movie. I did write this note and I need to say it before we close out. Uh, samson is the guy she tells you not to worry about.
Speaker 1:Just so you guys fucking muscle so hard dude and the amount of protein samson has to be eating is, he is eating.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, yeah, he's doing fine, I'm not worried about samson.
Speaker 1:I am not worried about samson so um remember, guys. Uh, giving is better than receiving. You'll find that you receive in your own time. Uh, this is an enjoy podcast. I'm your host, ryan bear north. Uh, with me, as always, james crossland luke. Thank you, guys for listening. Bye.
