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Hosted by Ryan Baron North, James Crosslin, and Luke, High n' Dry tackles film and philosophy with their patented 3-part method. What makes them so special and fun? One of them is drunk, and the other two are really, really high. Welcome to a drunken chat at 3 in the morning with your best buds. Come talk movies and philosophy, and get wasted along the way. New episodes every other week! Music by AlexGrohl @ Pixabay
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Diving into Prometheus and Alien Lore with High n' Dry
What if your presence could change the fate of the "Prometheus" crew? In this electrifying episode of the High and Dry Podcast, we beat the San Diego heat with some boogie boarding and nostalgic chats about the animated classic "Home Movies," brought to life by Brendon Small and H. Jon Benjamin. We also zero in on how humor ages, spotlighting Trevor Noah's self-deprecating wit as a timeless example. Personal updates abound: Ryan narrowly escapes a stress migraine, Luke recharges with a movie outing, and James battles the coastal heat sans air conditioning.
Feel the thrill as we dissect Ridley Scott's "Prometheus" using our unique three-part method. From discussing our choice blends of smokes and drinks to analyzing societal notions of masculinity portrayed in media, our conversation is anything but dry. We evaluate the film within the context of the "Alien" franchise, comparing its impact on audiences from different eras. Luke shares his experience of watching "Prometheus" as his gateway into the "Alien" series, sparking a lively discussion on storytelling and character evolution.
The episode crescendos with an exploration of "Prometheus" themes, from the perils of curiosity to the quest for meaning. We muse on the film's technological predictions and the potential risks of advanced AI. Imagining ourselves in the movie, we humorously ponder how our actions might alter the narrative, and critique the characters' often questionable decisions. Finally, we toast Ridley Scott, lauding his cinematic legacy while offering candid thoughts on his recent works. Don't miss this episode for a fresh, entertaining perspective on a sci-fi classic!
I think what's going to happen is I'm just going to go down to the fucking water because it's free, I'm going to take my boogie board and I'm going to fucking boogie some goddamn waves, as you should. That's what I would do to cool down to that. San Diego heat Agreed.
Speaker 2:Agreed, that sounds like a wonderful plan. And hey everybody, welcome to High and Dry Podcast, the only podcast that is celebrating movies, um, and keeping that fandom alive.
Speaker 1:Remember home movies, brandon spall is that I have no idea about the creators, but I remember the product yeah, he was, uh, he.
Speaker 2:So he eventually went on to do like death clock and he still performs with them and all that kind of stuff, but home movies with, and I think what John H Benjamin was the coach in that one.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:He a hundred percent was yeah, yeah, no, it was a. I thought it was a decent show, but anyway, I don't know.
Speaker 1:It launched careers yeah it did, it did.
Speaker 2:I don't know how it like aged, but I don't feel like they ever really went wild with it. I don't think anything?
Speaker 1:uh no, there's, it's. It's very rarely that some comedy age as well, that's true, it's pretty fucking rare.
Speaker 1:Yeah, comedy's always tiptoeing that line. So you know, even even in five to 20 years, the comedy from today will be like oh god, yeah, let me tell you a trevor noah joke that, I think, is the total that defies that, because that's the thing that gets brought up. A lot is that, like all comedy ages poorly. All right you, it tries to be edgy, but this is one that trevor noah wrote. It was did you know that most animals are really only like two or three years old? So I guess that means I'm a pervert in two kinds of ways, which is it's an excellent, self-deprecating joke that is edgy and doesn't age poorly because it's not attacking anybody, right? I would agree, I would agree, I would agree. I feel like if it always will age decently well, as long as you're kind of putting it onto yourself, if it's all right yourself, no one's really.
Speaker 2:Even 20 years from now they're gonna be like yeah, I mean, he's just talking about himself, but if it's once you start going to other people, where we'll reach a point where, you know, like corvids, like crows and the octopi, we managed to give them human sentience and at that point I think that was a little insensitive, um, like calling them out for their short lifespans and, you know, raping them because they're obviously underage at this point.
Speaker 1:So well, that was the joke. It was pedophiles, not at animals anyway.
Speaker 2:So, uh, hey, out there my thick kings. I'm ryan, ryan, baron north, with me as always, james cross and luke. Um guys, how you doing doing good.
Speaker 1:I'm, I'm, uh, I just went, went to the movies today, um, which is always a good time, so, uh, I'm doing good today, feeling high energy Very nice, very nice.
Speaker 2:And James, I know, you feel the same?
Speaker 1:I'm feeling low energy. It's really hot here. My apartment doesn't have air conditioning because someone decided that air conditioning wasn't a necessity. When you're this close to the coast, they're an asshole.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry to hear that. I myself, uh, just I think I dodged it, but I started experiencing a stress migraine and but I think I dodged it I shot some caffeine into me. The broken TV screen haze on my vision has gone away and I don't feel any extreme pain. So I think I think I'm doing all right. So I'm excited to get into this. So, for those of you joining us the first time, this is how we do it. We're going to tackle today Prometheus, ridley Scott, the alien prequel. We're going to do it in a three part method. First, we're going to just tackle it. We're going to give you a rating on what we think of this film. Then we're going to get on the golden path and do some more in-depth exploration of the film and finally, we're going to do a what if, where we insert ourselves into the film. And what makes it so special, unique, magical and fun is that we're going to do it drunk and or high. So that being the case, james, uh, what are you smoking this week?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I just had some loose weed and I put it in my thing. I'm too, I'm too fucking hot to think about these small details just some loose weed. Okay, very nice, just a handful of stuff I found it in a bag in the basement. It'll be good. It'll be good. I I don't know what got ground, just oregano it could be.
Speaker 1:Who knows? Uh, luke, how about yourself? Uh, I have vanilla wafers in is what I'm smoking today. So, um, which I've never had before. In all honesty, strain to strain, I don't notice big differences, apart from you know, some taste a little more earthy and some more citrusy, but we'll see how this one tastes. It's kind of it's a new one for me.
Speaker 2:All right, fantastic and I will be joining you guys today I almost said on this day with Maker's Mark Cask. Strength it's 113.2 horsepower. Very specific, yeah, they got it down to a decimal point on that one. So we're going to see here it's batch 2401. So let's load them up.
Speaker 1:Maker's mark is always a reliable um. In my opinion, yeah, it's a solid staple they're not gonna let you down.
Speaker 2:I just realized I don't have my shot glass, so I'm gonna be taking it out of this little measuring implement. So, uh yeah, this one goes out to our film Prometheus. Prometheus Cheers. A lot of notes in there. This is one of those cigar humidor tasting ones.
Speaker 1:Like you just should have a cigar in your hand. Is what you're saying?
Speaker 2:Or it tastes like a liquefied cigar.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's like you just should have a cigar in your hand is what you're saying.
Speaker 2:Or it tastes like a liquefied cigar, yes, it's like a, like you, or you just cracked the door of a cigar humidor and just sucked its essence into your, into your throat yeah, you're I, I, I feel like sometimes with the smoky flavor they, uh, they'll go a little too far, um, and then you're like I only taste smoke in this, without a doubt, but this one was nice. I mean it's 113 horsepower.
Speaker 2:It cost me 40-something bucks, yeah that's not too bad, yeah, I think it was all right Getting something a little special, and I'm happy with it.
Speaker 1:That's something I like about Maker's Mark too. Good bang for your buck. Yes, oh yeah. It for your book. Yes, oh yeah, it'll get the jab done. I wish I had more to contribute when it can't when it comes to alcohol, but I just. It's so hard. I don't have a taste for spirits, I don't have the palate for it um I I think it comes with uh, I don't know alcoholism he just didn't want to say it he just didn't want to say it.
Speaker 2:I'm not trying to say I have a disease, but I ain't not saying it either. So this second one goes out to our newest listeners. These ones are coming in from Lambeth, england, uk. That's apparently on the south side of London. Cheers to that, cheers, cheers.
Speaker 1:Oh my, I think the south side is the poor side. We're the working man's podcast yeah, I don't think you're.
Speaker 2:I don't think you're really listening to this. If you're in a, you know, amazing place like you, probably get your movie reviews from that fucking Joker, whatever the name is Something a little more high, bro. So this final toast, this one, goes out to the working man's podcast.
Speaker 1:I did a quick Google search and I typed Lambeth, reputation and someone posted on Reddit. Lambeth comes up as one of the higher crime rates in the boroughs.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah, cheers to you guys for running around stabbing people and what not getting into, like polo disputes and what have you those?
Speaker 1:those, those UK people stab the shit out of you. Oh, yeah, for them Mm.
Speaker 2:hmm. See, I feel that we've become more genuine gentlemanly and that will just shoot you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, put you out of your misery fast.
Speaker 2:Nice and quick, like men do. That's right. I saw a guy say something the other day uh, speaking of day, speaking of like a man, and just those statements and he goes. You cannot just take unappealing parts of who you are and attach like a man and call yourself good and say a real man does that.
Speaker 1:I've been, I've been watching Yellowstone recently and that shows basically that sentiment in its own way oh yeah, don't get me wrong. Super entertaining. However, it's that sentiment. You've got to kill 25 people for your family.
Speaker 2:like a man, what what a real man would do. You can't just attach that to the back of whatever your bullshit is no.
Speaker 1:No, If Jeffrey, you're telling me Jeffrey Dahmer said like a man, we would have been like. Yeah, he's kind of right, you know. I think that's actually relevant to this movie also Like I have some criticism of this movie and I think that that's really relevant, the way they talk about.
Speaker 2:Oh sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, Please, please. I thought you were wrapping up my bed.
Speaker 1:No, no. But I should wrap up because that's like, that's real, that's the meat of things. We have to get into it.
Speaker 2:Let's do it All right. So we're also going to be reviewing this film, as we, you know. We ahead and explain to the viewers how we're going to break this thing down.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So we have a system that, quite literally, will never fail us when it comes to rating movies. We're going to break it down by five categories, which goes acting, cinematography and slash score, story, rewatchability, and then how did we like it personally, and with those we rate it one out of five. James says no decimal points, none, whole numbers to give you accurate ratings for these movies. It's just holy Give you a general idea of. Is this movie good? Is it just kind of middle of the road Sounds good.
Speaker 2:Well, let's dive on in. I mean so, James, what were your thoughts on Prometheus?
Speaker 1:Starting with me. So my thoughts on Prometheus, my sober thoughts, were I like this movie all right. I thought this was a. I like this movie All right. I thought this was a. I thought it was an okay movie. I had a lot of. I saw this in theaters back in the day and I also left the theater going. That was an okay movie. But this time I was like okay, I really want to watch this movie and I want to try to approach it with the high minded concepts that it uh, that it tries to convey to me, that it's like, hey, think about all these things. You're thinking about prometheus, who, who took fire from the, from the gods and gave it to humanity, and think about it in the terms of all the quotes david says, and.
Speaker 1:And what I thought in the end was that it was a very pretty movie. I thought the cinematography was really well done. It was a really gray scale. However, like as a very gray movie, there wasn't a lot of dynamism in the, in the color palette, uh, but I thought the action scenes were pretty good. I thought the puppetry was good. There was a lot of CGI, but there was also, you know, puppets that had cgi overlaid and I thought those were good.
Speaker 1:Um, I thought that the like sci-fi world they built was pretty interesting. I thought they did a really good job with the props and set department, um, but I thought that the script was. I thought the dialogue was pretty bad for the movie and I thought that the character motivations were poor and I felt like it didn't really live up to its high-minded ideals. I thought it was just a lot of quotes, but that's kind of how I felt. Uh. So, like for acting, I thought I thought the acting was good, but you know, the script really hampered them. Yeah, so I, michael Fassbender, I think on his own plus new mirror pace, bring it up to like a four.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I could three or four, I agree. I think that Michael Fassbender, as David, I think he did such a good job at using just sort of off putting dialogue, like the way he deliver his lines and the way he would like be sitting there, to make him like he. He's a human being who I feel was able to fall into the uncanny valley.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he did do an excellent job Like he's the real standout actor of this. He he made it feel like he was an ai fighting his like urges but to follow his program and he like conveyed that very well. Yeah, I agree he michael fassbender was definitely standout, but could he carry it to a four? Was it it just a three for you? You said three or four. Yeah, the thing is I didn't.
Speaker 2:Noomi was also bringing it.
Speaker 1:What did you say? Noomi also brought it. I also liked Noomi. I thought she was a good scream queen for her scenes of being figuring out that the alien was inside her. I thought she did an excellent scream queen version of that um so I think that does bring it up to four. I don't think the acting was the problem. I think that the actors didn't have a lot to work with, uh most of the time michael fassbender was like the only character I was like.
Speaker 1:He's consistent and fleshed out and he has motivations. Whether I agree with them or think he's reasonable or whatever, he's motivated and he, he's motivated. And he was the only character who was written super well in my opinion, but the acting, I think, was a four. What were the other ones? Score Cinematography, slash score. Cinematography, slash score. I think both the cinematography and the score were really great.
Speaker 2:They were really beige, they were really, they were really, really beige paleted.
Speaker 1:Um, I have to give it a three, even though the score, I think, was pretty good. Um, yeah, it was rough. Uh, what were the other categories? Again, rewatchability, rewatchability. Um, you know, I could, I think that I think that.
Speaker 2:I think that a highlight.
Speaker 1:I think that a highlights reel for this movie would do really well. There's a few highlights in this movie that are super good, um uh, but I would still only give this like a two or three I'd say two for rewatchability. And then story, which is, you know, symmetry, realism, just storytelling, general storytelling. I liked the story they were trying to present and I think they did it clumsily in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1:In a lot of ways that were meant to evoke things but were ultimately empty, and so I'd give I. The problem is I really liked the story. If I read this story in like a book, like lore, I would have enjoyed it If I was like hey this is the lore of alien. I would be like fuck yeah, but. But war of aliens? Like fuck yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:yeah, I agree, but but uh, I think that everyone had brain damage and it was just agree.
Speaker 1:It's really bad, uh, so I'd give it like a two or three. You know what I like? A three, I like a three, four, increase it to a threepence. Yeah, I've been. I feel like I'm being really hard on this movie, yeah, oh, and then the last one's. Just how did you like it personally, on a personal level? Did you enjoy it, did you know? Ah, I loved it as like a, you know, sci-fi imagery movie. You know it was real, vibes, had good vibes, and but I found myself getting bored in some parts of the movie and I found myself going. I found myself being like god, it's the fucking horror where they rely on people being dumb asses, yeah, or or something like that. It's like, ah, we, we, we know we can do movies where people do everything right and it's still scary. And you could have made people do everything right, but instead you made them fucking maniacs and that really hurt it, that really dragged it down in my eyes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, so I don't know how, how I feel about it, I don't know uh, real middling where I'm like there's a lot of good things here, but there's a lot of things that make me just I think it's not really fair for that.
Speaker 2:Then yeah, I think, a three okay, I I think that's it.
Speaker 1:I don't think you're being too harsh on it either. Honestly, on first you know first impressions of your rating. I don't think that was too harsh on the movie. I think if people in 1970 saw this movie they'd shit their pants I mean oh yeah, 1979 is when the first alien came out. So I think people if you put people in a room together and they're like which movie is better? They would say Prometheus. So that's why I don't know if I'm just being super hard on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay. Well, luke, do you want to dive into yours?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can do into mine going to mind. So, as far as acting goes, uh, I I very much got into all of the characters and they had a lot of a lot of flaws. But um, and I'll start off by saying you know, with start off before my rating, that this was my first time experiencing any of the alien movies prometheus was my first one wow so I had no, you watched them in.
Speaker 1:I did, I watched them in chronological order, since I literally went to the theater, saw Romulus and then watched Aliens. I've been watching them in chronological order. That's so wild, yeah, and I had never experienced it, so I come at it with a completely different perspective, honestly. So with the acting, I agree, agree, I think it's a four. Um, I think michael fassbender did a great job and, honestly, the supporting cast were entertaining. Um, but also, you know, if they died off like you weren't, you were it hurt a little, but not enough. Like, because sometimes when it I get really hurt by a character dying off it I it hurts my soul and I hate the movie for it a little, just a little bit.
Speaker 1:so right I give it a four for for acting um. As far as the cinematography and the um the score, I also gave it a three. So the in in general. I actually thought some of the cgi scenes were a little rough for the time. Especially seeing some some CGI from earlier than its time, I was just like okay, that was just unexpected. I thought it would have been a little better. Do you feel like the enthusiasm of the movie with its CGI also makes a huge difference on your enjoyment? Because I think back to what you said about starship troopers, which that that was. It was good cgi for the time, but it also when we were watching the movie we still enjoyed it because we were like it's enthusiastic about it I and I do think that in all on it like the movie overall, I I did enjoy it.
Speaker 1:The cg it wasn't bad enough. I was probably being a little harsh when I had a note specifically about it, though, like eh, cgi at times, so it must have really caught my attention. But in all honesty I enjoyed the movie. So I don't really think that it. I think it didn't take away from the enjoyment of the movie and I do think, like you said just that the enthusiasm, the intensity of it is also still entertaining. And then we have the story.
Speaker 1:I thought that at times, because the characters lacked what they lacked is actual endings and all, I feel like none of their endings were well thought out and I feel like they it all just was like all right, drive the story forward, let's kill this guy. All right, cool, this guy turns into a zombie now. And he came back and just started killing. Like I wrote, one of my notes was I did not expect this to turn into a zombie movie and obviously it wasn't a zombie movie. But you know, it just gave that vibe Like what the fuck? It? Just very fragmented at that time. So the fuck it just very fragmented at that time. So I also put it middle of the road. It's a three, four for the story um and then the rewatch ability. I gave it a three, not a two, and the reason why is I've fallen in love with this franchise so I really have I love this alien franchise and, in all honesty, I could see myself going all right chronological order again, baby, and just watch them through.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like a Star Wars kind of thing or.
Speaker 2:Harry Potter.
Speaker 1:Next time you should do it in the order they came out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I might do that.
Speaker 1:And I've done that with Star Wars, yeah, so I really might do that because it genuinely I'm very much enjoying it, but at the same time, I'm gonna just watch prometheus, so it's not gonna get higher than a three for me because, okay, I'm not just gonna. Oh, let's just put on. If I'm gonna put on any of the alien movies, it's probably gonna be the original at this point. Um, or, in all honesty, romulus, which is also phenomenal, um, not to spoil it like you got it, I can't wait. I hope you get to see it, james, soon because I was gonna go tonight, but you know, yeah of
Speaker 1:course so, but when you, but genuinely. And then, um, the last one, which is, how did I like it personally, which will surprise you, a four because, again, I still just really enjoyed it. I, I, I very much. It set the tone for me, it gave me this like background and I feel like it did build the world well, um, while the story wasn't that great, it did build this like world in this universe for the alien, um movies for me, and I really enjoyed that. I was like, wow, this it got me very excited to watch the next ones, in all honesty. So that's so interesting for this to be your first experience with alien and this to be your basis for all the movies. That's so interesting because people who saw the original first have this concept of a xenomorph that's very limited in scope yeah yeah so it was part of the original was that you didn't know what the fuck was going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, which this and that kind of? And.
Speaker 1:I got that experience at the beginning of it which so when I got by the time I got to the original, I had an idea of what does he know? Like I knew all that stuff. So obviously it probably took I got a probably that a different experience than other people as well, which I don't mind. Again, I loved it too. So that can be for a different time, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I agree with that as well, that the people who've just been started on the beginning and they always they want something fresh and new and exciting. But if they don't see the exact same thing that they just saw and it brings them exactly to where they were when they saw the first one, they're gonna shit all over it. And I appreciated Prometheus for like saying like yeah, there's aliens out there, but like, hey, there's a lot more. And I think they were even able to.
Speaker 2:I got a lot of bad things to say about Covenant, but when they did dust off your traditional xenomorph there for Covenant, they did it in such a way where it's like you remember this guy we're going to, we're going to sleek him out, we're going to like show you. Like when he's doing his all fours running, yeah, we had never seen in broad daylight one of these things just fucking hauling ass at you. And they were able to bring something fresh to it, even though you know we've been seeing this thing, you know, since 1979. So I appreciated that. But as for you know, so for Prometheus, on my side I did enjoy the acting of Fassbender. I also really liked Idris Elba. I liked his character a lot.
Speaker 1:I did too. Actually, I can't believe I forgot about Idris as soon as you just said that.
Speaker 2:Wow, the whole time I was just sitting there relating to him, the rest of these people were out of their fucking minds Like dude. Where is your your scientific controls for real? You guys are supposed to be trained in that?
Speaker 1:nope, they're.
Speaker 2:They're sticking their faces where they shouldn't just the the guy who's like look at this alien snake thing, let's, let's see what it could do to my hand I, just I.
Speaker 1:I I'm pretty sure it was prometheus where he sticks his face down by the spurs the spores, sorry, not spurs yeah, spores I'm literally like that was covenant. That was covenant, oh that was oh, because I'm just like what you don't do that, like what the fuck you? You might be getting that scene confused with the one in Prometheus, where the biologist tries to kiss a snake. Oh yeah, he tries to kiss a snake.
Speaker 2:Same thing essentially. Well, even just the guy who's like I'm taking my helmet off and his girlfriend wife I don't know what she was to him. He's like please don't do that. And he's like stop being a stupid woman, like dude, like, stop being a stupid woman Like dude.
Speaker 1:I also had a note. Why do they have to have such giant bulbous helmets?
Speaker 2:Well, I think there's a point to be made and I had a note in that vein. We might be kind of diving into the second part of this, so after this I'll just get down to my ratings. Okay, but he said that, uh, they may have updated the tech too far and so they lost a lot of the feel of alien okay but then I guess maybe it's forgivable and what we're seeing here is like a super rich side of what the universe is capable of oh, I'm glad you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have notes for that as well so but anyway, I'll just dive into my scores real quick because it's time to get into the second portion of this. So the acting, um, I gave it a four. I think michael fassbender uh knew me and it just uh, I enjoyed that a lot of them. Um, cinema and score I like the music. I think that the music is immediately recognizable and it was really good at creating a sense of just being disturbed.
Speaker 1:So I'll give that a four as well it's funny you say that it's recognizable, because my fiance literally says every when we watch the rest of the movies. She would point out when the prometheus theme would come on yeah, and she'd be like that's prometheus theme and I'm like, oh, interesting so that it's only so, it's an arrangement yeah.
Speaker 2:And the Prometheus portion of it. It's meant to sort of.
Speaker 1:You gave that a three right.
Speaker 2:Which one? A three For the score Four, four. Yeah, it's meant to indicate that there's some primordial truth that's being hinted at right now. Yeah, um, and that's why I enjoy that rewatch ability. Um, I give it a three. I have rewatched prometheus a few times just because I am big on the alien lore, and this is definitely a movie where you're going to find some, and so I do enjoy it for that. The. The story was bogged down by the world's dumbest scientists that they could squeeze onto a multi-trillion dollar fucking expedition.
Speaker 1:Um, I have a. I have a theory about that.
Speaker 2:I feel like there would have been smarter people involved, but I have a theory well, should we wait?
Speaker 1:for a second.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll wait, that's gold path, and so I I felt that it hurt it. I felt that the the stupidity of some of these scientists hurt it. You're supposed to be a fucking scientist. You should know that there's more to being able to breathe an environment than just the oxygen content.
Speaker 1:Hey, they got oxygen.
Speaker 2:Let's do it Like what microbial things are burning around in that oxygen, like what bacteria, what they didn't punish him for it that's the thing, though, is that they didn't pay that off he got. He got intentionally dosed elsewhere that they didn't even pay it off which bothered me well, and I watched it again and I was surprised at what a fucking dick he was he was a raging dick um and so, but the lore, in my opinion, swoops in and sort of arches off that bad rating for me, so I do give that a three.
Speaker 2:Um, and then personally, um, I would also give it a three, just because you know I am. I am an alien fan and I like the expansion they made on the lore, so I'm going to give that a three as well.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm adding up the scores right now, divided by. You know I like the alien franchise. You know what? I think I just like alien. Yeah, I think I just like the Alien franchise. You know what? I think I just like Alien. I think I just like the first one and then the lore. I honestly think that's where I am right now. I've only gotten as far as Aliens, but so far I do like the franchise in general. I do, I don't know. Yeah, I like the first Alien, I do, I don't know. Yeah, I. I like the first alien. I like sigourney weaver in the role and I think that it really captured. I think it was like a perfect movie and it's hard to it's hard to make another. I like perfect movies across all genres, you know I like all kinds of perfect movies, yeah, and and uh.
Speaker 1:I just felt like there wasn't another perfect alien. Well the calculations are in. So it came out to 3.2. We round down with two goes down to three.
Speaker 2:So the official score of Alien Prometheus is three out of five stars and I feel that's fair. I feel that's fair. I feel that's fair. I agree, I that doesn't hurt my feelings to hear that it got a three.
Speaker 1:Um so well, I mean, you know, it's that that emotional attachment to our media is something we should reject. Anyway, you know, like like the things you know, take, take what it, what's great about it, but you also can't control other people's opinions.
Speaker 2:So great, agreed, except, uh, just be aware, listeners at home, um uh, high and dry is the final arbiter of oh, that's right.
Speaker 1:These things, so you have to pay attention to our opinion so our opinion is the one that matters.
Speaker 2:Um, we're the ones doing a drunk eye, we're the ones who are smarter than you in every way, and um, that's where we get these scores from so obviously, obviously, oh shit. I think our fans have come to expect that, you know, um so uh. Moving on to the next portion, is it's time to get on to the golden path? Golden path, the liquor is flowing through my blood, you guys have been smoking.
Speaker 1:Did you want to go first, since the liquor is flowing hard for you? Do you have thoughts? Do you want to?
Speaker 2:go first. Well, I'm going to go first on our final toast of the show. Okay, let's do it All right. So this final toast, final hit show. Okay, let's do it all right. So this final toast, final hit this one goes out to, I guess, congratulations on the three out of five ridley, scott, uh cheers, cheers, you earned it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you earned it, homie don't spend it all at one place do better you know it's, it's he's. He does good movies. A lot of them, a lot of his most recent movies, have been very visually similar, though it's the same palette all the time oh yeah, no, he's the uh tim burton of your science fictions and um historical drama. Yeah, you can really. You can really pick out his color palette.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Mm, hmm, no. And like if you, uh, if you pull up a picture of Ridley Scott, the first picture he's wearing an uh, all gray suit with a gray t-shirt.
Speaker 1:Really yeah, you know the edit gets to him.
Speaker 2:And really, and who was it?
Speaker 1:holy shit, you know the first edit gets to him and he goes. No, that's not great enough, guys, they're like, there's like there's no tones of any other color in the movie. Sir, I just looked back at my notes.
Speaker 2:My very first note is this movie is so fucking cloudy and gray that was my first note, and Ridley Scott had a hand in man of Steel as well, and that's where that movie was gray I uh, my first note was what the fuck is that awful filter they put on the memory helmet?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, right.
Speaker 2:I thought we had technology.
Speaker 1:I was like yeah, their, their helmets look super futuristic. And then it's literally like a grainy image from the sixties, like, yeah, their helmets look super futuristic.
Speaker 2:And then it's literally like a grainy image from the 60s, Like I was like what is going on? It was horrible. Well, it's weird that the rest of this universe uses Atari cartridge tech and we've seen now in this film that we have the technology. You just can't afford it.
Speaker 1:You just can't afford it. You just can't afford it, you just can't afford it. So one of my, one of my notes was literally a self-healing machine where 12 were made, showing that only the rich have access to the true, best medical care yeah yeah, oh yeah, I mean they even yell at the scientist girl like hey, stay away from my, you can't afford to be healed. Yeah, yeah, what?
Speaker 2:is wrong with you. Well, so let's dive on in. It's time to get on the golden path. Let's see what's behind this whole thing. So my first thing when I'm looking at this is first off, david is dropping huge hints that he's gone off the rails.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have a note they made it very sinister very early. Yes, I don't know how no one caught on to that tone at all. That's right, my theory, my theory.
Speaker 2:Yes, we said it in the Golden Path.
Speaker 1:Okay, so the reason no one caught on to the tone is that it talks about how all the technology is new, like the healing pod and stuff. I think that personally, these cryopods are in their testing phase and what happened is they put all these scientists in them and everybody got brain damage from being frozen and unfrozen and, and so that's why everybody willing to take those risks they're, they're just, they're just insane and they're totally insane.
Speaker 1:The worst biologist ever, the worst geologist ever, his, he's only there to throw some orbs in the sky, and the orbs do all the work. Anyway, I don't. I think that most of these people were just brought to test these fucking cryo chambers and the tests were bad. Do you think they were ever smart to begin with then? Like, do you like? Or do you think they were ever smart to begin with then, or do you think they were already mediocre?
Speaker 2:I would argue that they're mediocre. You have two scientists who spend their time trying to connect the links between civilizations around the world. They were watching fucking History Channel at two in the morning. They were high, they were fucking and they're like let's make a career out of this um so I don't think they were intelligent to begin with, um, and and I think because I'm watching this thing again um, he was such a fucking dick and she after the cryo and she was like, clearly just like she was used to forgiving him and glossing over his glaring inadequacies.
Speaker 2:And like she, this was the first time I watched it and I started to kind of look at her as a mid range emotional abuse victim victim oh yeah, 100, but again that's after cryo, that's after that.
Speaker 1:We didn't see, we only saw a couple words shared between of them, between them before cryo, and they weren't dicks then well, I would.
Speaker 2:So they had the conversation where he immediately, like attacked her personal religion and beliefs and this was not the first time they had that conversation, like he's clearly been like you've been stupid the whole fucking time. We've talked so many times about your belief in a higher power and you're just not getting that into your woman's skull. Um, and so I I feel like there might be some precedence here that he was always a dick. I mean because it didn't make some of the rest of them a dick Some.
Speaker 1:I think those people turned stupid because brain damage takes different. You know, not everybody's brain damage is the exact same way. So some of them were were violent and some of them were just, uh, just crazy scattered, and some of them were kind of like subdued. They were almost like lobotomized, like she was yeah, no, that's yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:um, no, but I think there were there were a few moments in this thing where we're seeing the uh, the end result of emotional abuse, like we, we saw it with vickers. Um, uh, charlize theron's character, uh, from her father, um, right, we saw, we saw, then saw her hand it down to david um, there was a lot of like interesting, like people are getting abused and it altered their characters. I would say that on this watch of it, it made me hate that main scientist. I'm glad he never had a career, but it did add a new dynamic, in my opinion, to these characters. It made some of their actions make sense to me. So there's that for me. What about you guys? What are some?
Speaker 2:of their actions make sense to me. Um so interesting. So there's that for me. So what about you guys? What are some of your golden path thoughts?
Speaker 1:do you want to go first, james? Uh, sure, yeah, I'll go first. I got, I got things to say, um, so a couple of things like this movie. One of the things I want to touch about this movie was philosophical concepts right, because we try to do that in this podcast, to talk about philosophical concepts, and this movie presents itself as very philosophical. Like I said, it talks it's named prometheus and they tell the story, they like mention the story outright of prometheus giving to humanity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he names the fucking ship for me exactly, and um, and and uh, michael fassbender day as david gives out a lot, he throws out a lot of quotes and stuff that are supposed to be meaningful and relevant, but I did not find in the story and the relationship between the quotes and the actions of the story and the conclusions that we draw any kind of cohesion.
Speaker 1:You know, um, the thing about Prometheus, you know, giving fire to the humans is is about teaching them and giving them something good. It wasn't the creation of the humans, um, you know, uh, uh, they, they talk about there's a lot of like nihilism, about like there being no meaning in the world. It's just kind of like nihilism seems to be the conclusion and that we and, and you know, philosophical nihilism is that we build our own meaning in the world, and so at the end, they kind of go off to build their meaning, but they're basing their meaning on something else. Uh, you know, it's just the search for meaning is the only search and it completely consumes these people beyond like, any kind of like self. You know, uh, uh, you know, keeping going yeah, let's be.
Speaker 2:It's beyond their lives at all, um, and that was another reason why I really, really loved it. Just his character when she, when shaw looks at him and says, don't you want to know what they have to say? And he just stone cold, I do not care yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 1:I loved it. Yeah, it's like, yeah, I, I kind of want to live, I kind of want to. Clearly, something is going is wrong here. Let's, let's regroup and and figure and come back with a plan, but it's but so, but that's. The movie's message is that people will do anything to have their curiosity sated, including acting like fucking maniacs, and that asking the motivations of a creator is a difficult prospect. Uh, you know, when david comes to uh waylon and asks, you know, you know his meaning, to understand his meaning, he's disappointed by humanity. Uh, you know, you're just a mortal too. To the alien. Um, but I don't think his quotes that he threw out through the through the whole series tied into that were poignant enough or relevant enough, I don't care, you know they weren't, even they did the relevance
Speaker 1:you know that that whole race was supposed to be, you know, the creators of humans and earth and whatever, and it felt very background to just like hey, by the way, this is this intro to alien. It's like okay, yeah, like I agree it had very little cohesion when it came to the that concept of us being created, you know, and all of that, all yeah. And shara said it's ironic that this movie that's so focused on the search and that they made this movie that's so focused on the search for meaning and they ultimately gave us a meaningless movie. That was just like Laura didn't give us any.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's it. That's all. It's just like, oh cool, Now I know where alien came from. That's all like you really care about. That's what you and they even know. That's all I took away from this movie At the end.
Speaker 2:In that vein, I am happy that it asked and it created more questions within the lore than it answered. I do like that and I think that's important to the the taste and feel of alien, so I do feel it kept it alive in that regard.
Speaker 1:I am drawing a kind of connection here on. Maybe some of this was intentional because of, like the meaningless of. David found that his search was meaningless, that these things were just mortal. To that, you know, maybe the movie was meant to feel meaningless, but also you asked me to be invested for a lot of it.
Speaker 1:You know, like something like Starship Troopers, where it has like a cohesion, where the acting was over the top because it was like nazi propaganda, then you wouldn't call that good acting normally. But when you tie it in together artfully, it keeps you engaged. When you tell me everything that you told me is meaningless and all the build-up was meaningless, it doesn't leave me with a great feeling for a movie, you know, and something to engage me with the story. Uh, it's a feeling of emptiness and it's like, oh, uh, I don't like that.
Speaker 2:I definitely don't want to watch that again well then, there's definitely a very uh, I guess, lovecraftian sort of feel to the series that prometheus adds um, well, uh, luke, what about you? What are your? Uh? Prometheus adds Well, luke, what about you?
Speaker 1:What are your? One thing that I feel like this movie really showcased is William's lack of human emotions, and his intense curiosity can be truly dangerous Not being able to truly say is this like safe? Is this okay, is this more? You know all of those things like he only cared about progressing his research of this. You know, um, what is the xeno or what is the, the little micro thing called the?
Speaker 2:which one the the air.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the the airborne.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh, oh, that's um, um.
Speaker 1:I can't remember for the life of me.
Speaker 2:That's chemical, a zero, something, something, something something.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, but anyways, like it. It just shows like I really felt like the movie was showing, trying to like, show us that you know, being like curious, like this is dangerous, Like in so many ways I also do. I also found it very interesting how and this is just a thought I had Twenty, ninety three genuinely is not that far away. In all honesty, it's possible that we reach 2093.
Speaker 1:We'd be very old, but you know, oh, this podcast will still be there, we'll be fucking rocking it out, but I I definitely, um, I found it very weird to just like think of some, like they think that we're that close to being able to travel light years away. Cryopods would actually be around and I feel like when the movie came out in 1970, the future did seem very possible like that. And don't get me wrong, a lot can happen in 70 years. But it is kind of crazy to think about the fact that this is only 70 years out 70 years out, um, when you know the year.
Speaker 1:I would say that it makes sense just in regards of, uh, how we are, our technology is developing exponentially yeah, so 1970 to 19 to 2024 which is a 50 year time, is going to move much slower than now to then I agree like actually now there's like a I just dropped, it's more like a snowball going down a hill, right when it comes to this, you know, as the snowball gets bigger, it just starts picking up more and yeah, like david is here, we just call him jabot yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1:Well, and that's, that's interesting. Do you think it would be actually before then that we could potentially be traveling across the sky? What sort of of.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I think Ridley Scott fucking nailed it to the day, to the day.
Speaker 1:But yeah, and then the last one, oh no, the last one that I had written down was it's also dangerous to make AI robots, I think, look and act like humans. They said that it was for people's comfort, but, in my opinion, having something that I know is not human but is trying to interact with me in that way feels uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:Oh, I would have never taken that drink from David. Like David, you've been saying some really weird shit lately. He's literally saying everything with his head down, like this. He's literally like yes, yes, like david, you've been you've been saying some really weird shit lately and I don't like that you're just head down like this.
Speaker 1:He's literally like yes, yeah, I feel like I feel like you're telegraphing really hard that you're evil yeah, like, yeah.
Speaker 2:So you're either about to poison me with this drink or tie me to a railroad track.
Speaker 1:Um and I'm not feeling it, dude, I'm not feeling it yeah, so I just I I do think that that's a dangerous line, that I feel like, um, they, they, they jumped on and I feel like, as just I was thinking about myself in that perspective, I would absolutely hate to have an ai robot that actually is like trying to interact with me as normal. I just want let's just know what we are and interact. Yeah, we don't have to way, you don't have to pretend to be human.
Speaker 2:David does lead to Bishop, so you know you take the good with the bad.
Speaker 1:I would definitely chill with Bishop. Yeah, I would I agree.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so.
Speaker 1:Alright. Well, I'd chill with Ash In the showers.
Speaker 2:Just fuck the shit out of him. You're gonna be in the showers. It's just fucked the shit out of him.
Speaker 1:You're going to be in Fifth Element.
Speaker 2:I say, as I push his head down yeah, we had a filthy episode about that back in the day, but anyway. So with that being the case, now that we're talking about taking ash on in the showers, it's time to insert ourselves into prometheus. So what changes? What happens? We're there now. We're on prometheus, and I'm enjoying this one for the bottleneck of it, because, like normally, we like I know one of you bastards is gonna say well, I never got on prometheus I was.
Speaker 2:I was in that first cave and I heard them saying crazy shit to each other and I was like I gotta get a different job yeah, I started working at space mcdonald's, so, uh, we have been inserted onto prometheus, so whether it's I mean, we, we've all well, we've seen the rest of these movies and we, we know that indentured servitude is on the table. So you're on prometheus. How does it change? Um, luke, let's start with you. How does prometheus change by the addition?
Speaker 1:can I ask you, is it all three like am I in a scenario where all three of us are on it, or is it me?
Speaker 1:I welcome you to add us okay okay, so all three of us are on prometheus now. Um, the moment that we suggest to just explore an unknown planet, we beat the ever-loving shit out of every other man on the crew with Idris Elba. Idris Elba would obviously be helping us because he's also rational. Maybe the Aussie might. But besides that, we're going to beat the shit out of them and put them back in the cryopods and we're going to go the fuck to the place that we're supposed to go and never fuck with a planet that we were never supposed to be on so you're thinking of covenant yeah, yeah, no, but I hope we actually make it to a safe place.
Speaker 1:Unlike that, but, yes, I, I think that we would actually be rational, because I would hope, uh, we're smarter than the crew that was on that ship. Uh, truly, I, I really do you think?
Speaker 2:you think all right, so you think that we're coming onto this ship and we're gonna make more logical, sound decisions and we're gonna have a mutiny and we're gonna yeah, take take over the ship with idris alba. Okay all right, all right. Um well, james, uh, what about you? For you, how does, how does the film change?
Speaker 1:so if I was like added to the crew not if I took a spot. I have to be added either way. Either way Do I get. Do I have brain damage? I mean, that's scary is not officially canon. Okay, so okay, so I don't have to have brain damage.
Speaker 2:No, they're just really dumb, I think.
Speaker 1:then I take on the role of squid baby. I think that's the one that would fit me best and, uh, I would, um, as squid baby, I would keep my presence hidden until the ship escaped, right? Uh, it just elva was. We're not fucking with these things. There was a squid baby on board. We're not taking any of these home with us. It was already on there. Yeah, I would have done everything in my power to help them get off the planet as squid baby, and it would have been great. It would have been great for me.
Speaker 1:I even, even if you gave new me fucking sepsis when you burst into her open stomach wound I didn't make that choice, uh, I was just. I didn't ask to be born squid baby in the vents. Like I didn't ask for this, I got to fuck that giant thing's face before I died. One of the creators.
Speaker 2:It was a nice warm face too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's not like I disagreed with him. I think he did the right thing. Killing these monkeys who showed up on his planet, woke him up from his cryosleep to try to interrogate him Whatever David said, by the way, to just make this dude go fucking rambo shit was hilarious. I was like I was like this I, this dude's doing the right thing. These, these, these, fucking, these fucking upright monkeys are gonna take these weapons and they're gonna destroy the entire fucking universe with them.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, so we're all good, I'd be an alien, I'd be there doing my thing, okay.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:I think everything's going great guys.
Speaker 2:I think I would also be Squid Baby, but in the fact that I would take on Idris Elba's captain role and that would be the nickname that Vickers came up with for me, because I use all the hands. Oh, got it, yeah. So yeah, she'd be like hey, squid, baby, I need to talk to you. I'm like all right, yeah, I'm coming, babe, but but.
Speaker 2:Go flying out of the shot, um, but uh, no. So if I was inserted into it, I think that I would be, because I'm watching it. Um, I think this was, um, I don't know. I think maybe this is the first time I've seen this film in recent memory and and I have a lot of new life experiences coming at it and, um, you know, it's like with my occupation and things of that nature that I don't want to go too far into, but, um, I was watching idris elba's character and I'm like, holy shit, I was on this ship.
Speaker 2:Um you know, like when he was like, if, like, uh, if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you with. And he plays his little accordion. That's some shit I do. Um, hands down, um the the whole thing, the way he was treating it, the way, uh, he's realizing that, hey, you dumb asses are getting in over your heads. And he like looks at the camera. It's like I don't give a shit what the dude who made me has to say. We're bouncing. Um, I uh, yeah, no, I would be there.
Speaker 2:And and the way like he tells vickers that like, jump in your pod, that's gonna give you two years, but this shit's going down. This cannot get back to earth. Um, I'm there, I'm there for it. I was loving it the whole time and I loved it when his crew, like for the first time, shows that they have character too they've. I would like to have seen a movie just about those three dudes in the cockpit. I feel like, had we had done that instead and tried to answer the questions that were posed by prometheus, we wouldn't have the same problems we did with this movie, right I don't disagree.
Speaker 1:Good, that was all I had to say yeah, and so I.
Speaker 2:I would have liked to have seen that like, because, I mean, I'm looking at scores and each of us just had a problem with the writing that was put on characters we didn't give a fuck about. I think one of the reasons why Romulus did so good is because they did Prometheus with people we fucking cared about.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:Had they have just focused on Idris, had they have focused on his crew, who obviously have great, great fucking loyalty to this man great chemistry like they would have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like that scene, the brain damage. Yeah, for no reason. They didn't have to be there. I wrote. I wrote these people are idiots in mind. It was really interesting to hear how you thought about them. My note was they're like I have nothing to live for. Blow me up. I could. I could get out. I know I could get out the escape, but uh, no, I'm just gonna die, it's fine well, I said let's fucking kamikaze the alien shit boys. Hell yeah, but it wasn't three, it only took one person.
Speaker 2:I think that's what the problem was. We were so fucking focused on the dumb ass scientists that had they have reverted to the crew we would have, because I think they like kind of they expected us as the audience to understand that we there, that Idris Elba and his crew had a point A to point D, idris Elba and his crew had a point A to point D and we were just supposed to accept that C and everything in between would have led them to this choice. And knowing that, hey, if that ship and Covenant covered it later that if that ship made it back to Earth we'd all be dead, they would have released the creators would have released their biological black goo and killed the entirety of Earth.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what they were going to do anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if that ship, yeah, and so there was a lot of stuff in the middle that we had to kind of insert for ourselves to make Idris Elba's choice make sense.
Speaker 1:No, his choice made sense. The two co-pilots made no sense. He was like you can can leave, I can pilot this ship. And they were like no, you're not good enough.
Speaker 2:But that's not, it's not true, like yeah, because it was just his bullshit joke. Because I think that prometheus should have been about idris elba's previous mission and answered these prometheus questions, because there was obviously loyalty that occurred off screen years before.
Speaker 1:What about Lackey's? Sacrificing themselves for no reason is appealing to you. I think there are people who are appealed to by this. I think that I'm not one of those people. I don't get get it. But why do you feel that, like his, his guy is sacrificing themselves? For him is like a noble decision, or I don't?
Speaker 2:necessarily think it, but like, like, I like to think that both of these guys knew that their best friend was about to call it a day. They, they realized that they're about to go down to a planet and they're just gonna wait two years to die. Um, and it's like, hey, man, I don't want you to face this alone.
Speaker 1:Um, my other option is to go down there on this planet and die alone anyway, but except just cold, crazy and starving well, they don't know that there's a lot of assumptions made in this movie, like they assume a lot about the creator's intentions and they assume, like you're assuming right now, about the Earth, like the surface they only got, like they only know like 400 square yards of this fucking planet's surface. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Well, they do know that. One guy went out onto the surface, came back and turned into a zombie.
Speaker 1:That is true, that is true. But they know there's other survivors they could like, band together. We know Noomi Rapace does survive and get off the planet. We know that for a fact. So maybe they don't want to deal with the actual, you know, depression, depression, and maybe they will feel guilt of some kind. So that's why, ryan, I sort of let you know if we're ever in a situation and you're like I'm going to get out of here, I'm going to take care of this, I'll be like thanks, man, instead of being like I'm going to die with you.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it, fuck yeah bro, bro, thank you, I understand, but because if I had a problem with that like so me as Idris Elba if I suddenly had a problem with that, it means I was insincere in the first place, right? So, like I told you to get the fuck out of here, because I want you to get the fuck out of here, I want you to live. Yeah, I'll take care of this. I get the fuck out of here because I want you to get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2:I want you to live. Yeah, I'll take care of this I my life is in a triple kamikaze.
Speaker 1:Thanks, thanks, bro.
Speaker 2:I love you see you on the other side bye yeah, I'll catch you on the other side, homies, um, yeah, no, I would tell you guys to get off the ship. Uh, I mean, honestly, it works perfectly for the high end guy, our fucking roster here. If I'm running the fucking show as Idris Elba and you two are in the front seats and I know I could handle it, I'm gonna be like, no, seriously, get the fuck out of here. And then I would tell Vickers like, but I will need your help though you die. I will need your help though they and me in my head going like my boys don't need to deal with your bullshit. You're insane and I'm your squid baby.
Speaker 2:I would be so pissed off if one of you became her second squid baby. So it gives me that at least.
Speaker 1:Squid baby, squid baby.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I wouldn't want anyone else to be her squid baby, so she's coming with me. You two, though, I would request humbly that you get off the ship to be eventually crushed by the rolling alien spacecraft. So you know the scene where she's like no, no, no, no, it's now you two going that, son of a bitch do you think we should run to the left?
Speaker 1:Right yeah, I was so mad I'm like just run to the side. What is happening? Why are you?
Speaker 2:trying to outrun the entire spacecraft.
Speaker 1:Also, this is one thing that gave me that like tore me out of the movie that spacecraft. There's no fucking way that spacecraft is stronger than a planet. Like, when it crashes, when it falls from the sky, it should fucking collapse. It's not stronger than the planet.
Speaker 2:It's able to fucking roll like a coin.
Speaker 1:So stupid. It's very strong alien metal.
Speaker 2:You don't understand yeah, well, that's why it's only a hallway and snake pit, because everything else is just fucking crisscrossing rebar it's just all frame there's, there's frame in just like two small rooms, and that's in one hallway.
Speaker 1:The rest is frame right wild all right. Well, and also one final thing, because we kind of have a read wait, are we doing notes?
Speaker 2:we're doing a yes, it's time to dive into the notes.
Speaker 1:Okay. So one thing I wrote here was the end scene. See, the tone seemed really off. Did you guys notice this? Did you guys notice the score in the last scene with her and David? It started to be like almost a hopeful type thing, but they were enemies, like like if you, if you listen to the diet, if you, if you take the dialogue they're saying and put an ominous tone over it about them being like stuck together and her going to get answers and her using him as a tool, and and their enemies, because that's what it really turns out to be well, well, I think it.
Speaker 2:I think it aligns, because we had and I only realized it watching it today. I've seen this movie since, like 2012 or whenever the fuck it came out, but I only realized today that she is an emotional abuse victim and she immediately encountered an ai abuser who has?
Speaker 2:the fucking internet, running new abuse techniques into his fucking brain. She immediately starts making excuses for him. She immediately befriends him and then, alien covenant, we learn that he eventually fucking dissected her. So, honestly, I think it's par for the course. Yeah, this, yeah, I don't know. So, honestly, I think it's par for the course. Hmm, hmm, yeah, this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think David was just the logical evolution of the dickbag scientist boyfriend that she brought. By the way, you knew he was bad from the beginning when he was fucking wearing Birks to the initial goddamn uh. Briefing yeah, all right, ready, ready for the mission eh yeah, like he had his fucking uh birkenstocks that he was rolling into I was told there would be field work yeah, like, yeah, dude, there was there, he had burks.
Speaker 2:On this fucking thing, I I don't trust a man rolling birkenstocks into a briefing um, but anyway, um, fuck you you just don't understand you're, you're military, you don't get civilians.
Speaker 1:I wear flip-flops everywhere, not burks. No, if I could afford them Exactly, I have off-brand target Birkenstocks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, we're a podcast for South London. Alright, we're not a podcast for the top.
Speaker 1:Okay, last note Quote for one to create, one must first destroy my note. This is stupid Thoughts.
Speaker 2:For one to create, one must destroy, yeah. Note this is stupid thoughts. For one to create, one must destroy, yeah, no, that makes zero fucking sense. Um, I, I was. I was born without my mom causing mass destruction yeah, it's so.
Speaker 1:So we kind of sharon. I kind of talked about this idea and I think it's dumb and I think that even if you want to claim like, uh, you know, someone had to eat an animal or a vegetable or something, um, that's destruction in order to live or whatever, uh, but it's like a transitional state. When you create like a sculpture, it's you take a material as a transitional, say it doesn't. It doesn't mean that material is destroyed, just means it's a circle it doesn't mean that material is destroyed.
Speaker 2:It's the circle of life.
Speaker 1:It's circle of life is not destruction, it's the circle of life. It's. You know, it's not the circle of death.
Speaker 2:But I think, yeah, seeing it as destruction. Good, well, there's, there's zooming out to such a degree that eventually, yeah, you, eventually, yeah, you'll find destruction. But at this far up, we've also lost the point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so exactly, and and the destruction it's like it's a specific mindset. If you really, if you really try to have some do some kind of semantic argument about what destruction means in order to make the point that everything is destroyed when something is created, that's also lost the point I feel like that's also an aggressive take on it because, in all honesty, like yes, okay, let's say you're building a new building, you have to build it from the ground up.
Speaker 1:That's not like if you're saying like, oh, it had something had to be destroyed before, like that's such a poor perspective on it too. It's really not, you know, in in the very few cases where I think destruction would happen before something is built, which is honestly in like actual construction, um, even then, like you could have a better take where it's like, oh, no, just an older building is being built. What's newer, safer? Like blah, blah makes sense.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, we just learned that ridley scott is zorg from. Uh fucking fifth element, um so, uh well uh, there you have it, folks. So, uh, prometheus ridley scott, high and dry, is giving this bad boy three out of five because it's up its own ass. So far it lost the point. Um, thanks everyone for listening. That's for true. All right, everybody, take it easy out there. Thanks for listening. Bye, peace out, bye.
