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Ryan's Renegades: A Deep Dive Into 'Starship Troopers'
What if you found yourself enlisted in a fascist military regime, all while under the influence of Acapulco Gold? Buckle up for a wild ride as we kick off the High and Dry Podcast with a hilarious and unfiltered breakdown of the cult classic "Starship Troopers." With our good friend Luke, an IT wizard and skunk ape enthusiast, we embark on a journey through this satirical sci-fi universe, first with sober minds, and then with our senses enhanced by some choice liquor and cannabis. This episode is packed with laugh-out-loud moments and sharp insights as we dissect the film's special effects, acting, and its biting sociocultural commentary.
Ever wondered how a 120-proof whiskey can elevate a movie critique? We raise our glasses for a tasting of Knob Creek Single Barrel Select, both straight and in our custom-made "Klendathu Spritzer." As the whiskey flows, so do our candid thoughts on "Starship Troopers," rating everything from its mesmerizing score to its rewatchability factor. Join us in toasting the film's brilliance and its timeless ability to entertain with its satirical take on militarism, gender roles, and authoritarianism.
To round things off, we venture deeper into the absurd yet thought-provoking world of "Starship Troopers." We unwrap the intentional acting choices and narrative subtleties that lampoon fascist ideologies, all while imagining our own roles within this hyper-militarized society. Luke's vision of himself as a spaceship IT tech or barber, James's fantasy of being a sentient bug, and our collective musings on characters’ fitness obsessions will leave you in stitches. Get ready for a blend of humor, fitness talk, and insightful critique that promises to keep you entertained from start to finish.
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James
would you like to know more?
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Ryan Baron North
back at it.
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Luke
and No, I think I can. I'll pick it up. I got it.
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah, I think he's all right. So hey, everybody, welcome to High Enjoy Podcast, the only podcast keeping alive the fandom of the WMAC Masters. um The 1995 show featuring martial artists fake fighting around a circular arena that they spilled off into the darkness. No, nothing. then
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James
i I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Luke
no yeah
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Luke
I have not heard that.
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Ryan Baron North
Well, this podcast is bringing it back. ah With me, as always, James Crossland. James, how's it going?
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James
It's going all right. Nearly 9.30, about to get incredibly fucked up, I think, is what's gonna happen.
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Ryan Baron North
I don't know. No, I'm excited. I'm excited. And so joining us, longtime friend, IT t specialist, and system admin, bringing a lot to this particular table, who we got.
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James
and Hold on, don't forget, don't forget skunk ape enthusiast.
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Luke
And skunk ape enthusiasts.
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Ryan Baron North
yeah
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Luke
Generational skunk ape enthusiasts, I might add.
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James
ah Yeah.
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Ryan Baron North
We got our man Luke here. yeah Luke, what's going on? How you been?
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Luke
Doing good. it's I'm glad to be back on the podcast. It's been a long time. I love doing these. I really do. And I, you know, I don't care what time it is. I'm looking to get fucked up, so.
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah, um I am too. I was ah starting to get the shakes, so I'm glad that we're diving on in.
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James
You can't make jokes like this, man.
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Luke
but
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James
I'm watching all the time to see to see it to see if there's a reason to be concerned.
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Luke
We're concerned.
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Ryan Baron North
We're fine. Steady as a rack. but this is my drinking hand.
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Luke
Hahaha.
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Ryan Baron North
All so for those of you joining us the first time, and so we could give ah Luke a refresher on how this goes down. ah Today, we're not gonna be talking about the WMAC masters. My co-hosts here clearly have never seen it. Instead, we're gonna be discussing Starship Troopers. And we're gonna break this down to a three-part method. First, we're gonna dive on in, tear the film apart, see what we think about it, sober.
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Ryan Baron North
And then we're going to get onto the golden path and talk about some of our more enlightened thoughts. And then finally, we're going to finish this off with a what if. We're going to insert ourselves and drugs or alcohol into Starship Troopers.
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Ryan Baron North
And what's going to make this so special and beautiful the whole time is that we're going to be seriously fucked up for the process. So James.
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James
is it ah Is it a problem if I haven't seen Starship Troopers?
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Ryan Baron North
No, I mean, you you get the idea. There's bugs.
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James
OK.
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Ryan Baron North
ah Well, James, what are you were you smoking today? today
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James
I've still got Akapuka Gold. I don't have any any other new ones for a while. just Just the ounce that I've been smoking for like five months.
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Ryan Baron North
Very nice. And, uh, Luke?
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James
It's a good one.
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah, Luke, what about you?
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Luke
I am i'm checking right now actually.
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Ryan Baron North
Get some shit I picked up from behind a car.
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Luke
I have s'mores.
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Ryan Baron North
Okay, Mart.
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Luke
S'mores is the stream.
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Ryan Baron North
Oh, okay.
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James
Oh, nice.
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Luke
Yeah, and it's...
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James
I should. You know what? I should have got some alien OG for this. That would have been aliens a pretty good strength.
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Luke
That would have fit the occasion, for sure.
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Ryan Baron North
yeah well so i'm joining you guys with uh...
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James
Yeah.
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Ryan Baron North
something special i did pick up for the occasion uh... this is a knob creek single barrel select and it's a small batch for missouri customers only and it's a hundred and twenty horsepower so uh...
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Luke
Ooh!
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James
Whoo.
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Ryan Baron North
yeah well so i'm gonna start with one shot of it just to get the real taste and then i'm going to yet
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James
you said and are you gonna make sours out of it you talked about making sours oh no okay
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Ryan Baron North
i'm gonna make a I'm gonna make a sour.
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Luke
that you know how they say like whiskey puts the hair on your chest that's gonna take it off bold as a baby yeah as soon as you take a shot of that
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Ryan Baron North
Oh yeah, no I'm gonna be, gonna be bare as the day I was born. yeah Just melts off. No, I'm excited.
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Ryan Baron North
So let's ah line them up.
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James
We're really going to have to rush the sober thoughts.
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Ryan Baron North
Ah.
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James
You should go first.
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Ryan Baron North
All right, so this first one goes out to our film, Starship Troopers. Cheers.
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Luke
chair
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James
I'm doing my part.
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Ryan Baron North
Let's do the straight face. I'm doing i'm doing my part with the straight face challenge.
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Luke
Cheers.
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Ryan Baron North
Here we go.
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Luke
oh shit I thought I could make it.
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James
Ah, Luke failed.
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Ryan Baron North
yeah God damn. So that is that is delicious. I really enjoyed it.
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Ryan Baron North
um It definitely because I really like the old Forrester prohibition style I'm always bringing on here. And that one's 115 horsepower.
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Luke
like
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Ryan Baron North
um So I do enjoy that strongness to it. But oh, this one.
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Luke
I can't say the same for me. I do not like any strongness to it, so...
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Ryan Baron North
yeah
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Ryan Baron North
This one packs a punch. Whoo. All right. So it's time to line them up for round two. So for round two here, because this is 120 horsepower, and I would like to, you know, actually be a part of the show and not just have YouTube talk while I'm passed out in a corner.
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Luke
Hahaha!
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James
Hahahaha!
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Ryan Baron North
I'm going to turn two ounces of this, I just splashed myself with lemon juice, into my own take on the whiskey sour. So your average whiskey sour, you got um your simple syrup, your whiskey, and egg whites.
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Ryan Baron North
I'm gonna take out the egg whites, go with two ounces of my new drink right here. I'm gonna do about one ounce of simple syrup, and then squeeze a half a lemon into that. And that should make something pretty good.
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James
to do Do you have a name for it or or are you soliciting? or
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Ryan Baron North
well it's it's a pretty it's a modern whiskey sour the thing about it though is I hate yeah mean it's like a simple sour I'd say that that's a good one yeah simple sour well if you
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Luke
I'm looking maybe simple sour? Yeah. Cause you don't, you take the egg whites out, I feel like that's just like an extra step that you gotta to fucking, you gotta froth them up, like it's just kind of a pain.
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Ryan Baron North
If you ask for one of these things in a bar today, like a whiskey sour, most of the time they give you sweet and sour mix mixed with whiskey. And it just gives you heartburn and honestly, it tastes like crap. So.
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Luke
And I bet you there's an insane amount of sugar in those fucking whiskey sour mixes.
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Ryan Baron North
Oh, yeah, without a doubt. So here we go.
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Ryan Baron North
Oh, there it is.
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James
I nominate Klendathu Spritzer for...
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Ryan Baron North
The Klendafu Spritzer.
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Luke
Yes.
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Ryan Baron North
I like it. So here's our second toast. Here's to the Klondathu Spritzer. I guess Luke joining us. Cheers.
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James
I should smoke, not drink coffee, cheers.
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Ryan Baron North
Ooh, that and knob creek is bold and it ah definitely bursts through the fucking lemon and simple syrup.
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James
ah
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Ryan Baron North
That is bold. Ooh, all right.
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Luke
Like it wasn't even there.
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Ryan Baron North
Mm-hmm. All right, so our ah final toast, final hit, final shot. This one is going out to our newest listeners in Augusta, Maine.
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James
Custom Maine, wow.
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Ryan Baron North
there
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Luke
Cheers to lobsters and Maine.
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James
Thanks Maine.
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Ryan Baron North
Down the hatch.
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James
Man, I can't wait for lobster season to kick off here again.
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah, all that and would be nice.
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James
We're so close.
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Ryan Baron North
That would be nice. All right, so before ah this thing takes me away, let's dive on in. so It's time to get into our sober thoughts as these, as this alcohol slowly coursing towards my brain. um So, you know, I'm feeling fine. um Guests first. Luke, how how'd you feel about the film? Starship Troopers.
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Luke
So I have a ah usual like movie rating system, right? And I actually you saved it specifically for this.
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James
Hahaha.
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Luke
So I didn't, I didn't rate it because I was like, I want to rate it. So it goes acting, cinematography, score, story, rewatchability, and how did I just like it personally?
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Ryan Baron North
Okay.
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Luke
Acting. Let's be honest, that you know, it's it's out of five, you know, and um I'm gonna give it right in the middle of 2.5, because I just enjoyed it, because it's like, at some point so bad, you laugh, but like, at some points, it's not bad at all.
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
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Luke
Like, that you know, it's it's the storyline pushes forward, and I like it.
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Ryan Baron North
yeah ah Agreed.
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Luke
Cinematography and animation, honestly, for its time, it wasn't that bad at points. Like, in all honesty, I thought like, I really enjoyed how, like,
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Luke
The special effects were done. I don't know if they were if they were using like greens to what they were doing in 96 97, but Oh Was it yeah because Incredibly genuinely like some of it.
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James
There was part, it was part puppet part. It was. Yeah.
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Luke
I'm like wow this looks like I mean it was like realistic for the for the time so I would probably give cinematography like a 3.5 Score I liked it.
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
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Luke
I thought that was really good. I'm giving it a 4 Uh, yeah, I like, I just, you know, at points I'm like, yeah again, it kind of set moments that I, even though kind of it was old and some of the acting was bad, when it was like the music was going, I was like, shit, I'm kind of into this.
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Ryan Baron North
oh
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Ryan Baron North
Okay.
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Luke
Like, I, that, that brought me in. So story. They had a good storyline. They built a world, built a whole galaxy. I feel like it was very, very well done.
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
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Luke
That was probably one of the best parts of the movie, like a 4.5. Rewatchability, 100%. It has that factor. And for that, I'm you know gonna give it a four.
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Ryan Baron North
Hell yeah.
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Luke
And how did I like it personally? I'm giving it a four as well. So it you know overall, I'd say it rates at about a four overall for a movie. And four out of five is pretty fucking good.
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah. Nah, definitely.
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Luke
Very much enjoyed it.
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Ryan Baron North
like Okay. No, I mean, there's ah there's there's a reason this film, um you know, is still being watched today and it had definitely has a cult following for sure.
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Ryan Baron North
um
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Luke
Really? So there's like a lot of people who are like, yeah, like fucking, there's like a whole group of people.
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James
Well, it was like a, re yeah, it was like, it was like a Renaissance appreciation of this movie where it was, people really kind of didn't like it when it came out, but like 10, 15 years later, people started to be like, wow, this movie is really good, isn't it?
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Ryan Baron North
Oh yeah.
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Luke
Really?
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Ryan Baron North
Oh yeah.
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah, they were on to something here. They were. And and the release of the recent release of Helldivers brought it back again.
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James
Mm-hmm.
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Luke
I'm sorry. it went Okay, so that's what brought you to tell me to watch Starship Troopers was Helldivers 2.
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Ryan Baron North
Yes.
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Luke
And I have to, holy shit, there is no possible way the creators of Helldivers did not get inspiration from Starship Troopers.
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Ryan Baron North
Oh yeah.
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Luke
There is zero chance. That movie I was watching, I'm like, this just feels like I'm getting the backstory to one of the fucking Helldivers, uh, like, like family stories.
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
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Luke
Like I legit felt like that. It was, I was like, there's no way this is not directly influenced by Starship Troopers.
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Ryan Baron North
Oh yeah.
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Ryan Baron North
without a doubt, without a doubt. And so that's so that's sort of bringing it back. So well, so James, how'd you feel?
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James
Well, I think it's only fair that I use Luke's scoring system that he introduced. So so let's do let's talk about acting real quick. And I'll try to get through this kind of quick, but there is a lot to say here.
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
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James
ah maybe i'll Maybe I'll try to save a lot of it for the for the Golden Path. But acting, ah you know Paul Verhoeven, amazing director who directed Starship Troopers, he kind of tells his people to overact on purpose.
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James
And ah he he wanted this to to be like a, he he he chose specifically people who were on teen traumas.
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James
It was like like Denise Richards was on, what was it, Beverly Hills, 90210?
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
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James
Casper Van Dean, ah you know, they were both soap opera actors.
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Ryan Baron North
Uh huh.
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
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James
And, you know, he brought him on specifically because he wanted the over action. Paul Verhoeven does surreal stuff. We talked about this when we talked about Total Recall, you know, where it's way over the top to make a point.
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James
And so I thought the acting, you know, I have a note here, is Denise Richard a good actress in this movie?
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James
And and and it is and she's not, but it but it's the but it's it's the cohesive view of the film.
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Ryan Baron North
Negative. Yes.
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James
Like Paul Verhoeven was like, we're gonna do everything on purpose. And so doing everything on purpose makes everything better. So the acting seems better because it's on purpose that everyone's like overacting.
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Ryan Baron North
yes
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James
So it's hard to give, like I honestly give this like five all the way across the board.
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Luke
Okay.
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James
Everything about this movie I thought was was cohesive in a way that made it a great movie.
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Ryan Baron North
Wow. Okay. All right. Well, so the first thing, so for me, um every time, ah Luke, you come on the show, we wind up incorporating a new aspect into the show that stays with it.
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Ryan Baron North
the Do you remember originally, it was Cher.
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Luke
Yeah.
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Ryan Baron North
um After you came on, we were everything was too Cher. We were listening to Cher. Cher was the the judge of the competitions. And now we have a scoring system that we could utilize.
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Luke
it
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James
There's no way I'm gonna remember this scoring system.
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Ryan Baron North
I wrote it down.
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Ryan Baron North
And so on my on my content creation, I could start putting high and dry stars to the movies that we we do this to.
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Luke
Dude, get on Letterboxd2. Try to get a follow in there. I'm telling you, there's so many people on that.
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Ryan Baron North
Fuck yeah. Yeah, no, that'll be good. um So i'm I'm excited about that. a High and dry is coming after Cisco and Ebert.
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James
But we've already we've already gotten rid of half of them.
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Ryan Baron North
ah Only one more to go Yeah, you heard it here first yeah You heard it here first high and dry was involved yeah We knew what we wanted so for me ah looking at Starship Troopers So looking at looking at it in the way that James is saying when it comes to the acting I
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James
Kill them! Kill them all!
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Luke
Haha.
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Ryan Baron North
I do feel that they were supposed to overact. um and So if that if that was the direction they were given and that was the goal, then I feel they nailed it. Because it was supposed to come across as this
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Ryan Baron North
propaganda piece and That that's what you definitely see and so yeah the acting then I would I would rate very highly as well um I personally would give that a four in my opinion now as far as the cinematography goes um Accounting for the fact this is 96 whatever year um Yeah, no, I would say that they also really
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Ryan Baron North
did very well in that regard. there were There were a few kind of clunky bits during ah the smaller dialogue scenes.
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James
The soap opera, right?
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Ryan Baron North
yeah yeah
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James
It was just it was like a soap opera.
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Ryan Baron North
But I just I feel that in times that that's sort of detracted.
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James
Yeah.
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Ryan Baron North
So I would have to take it down just just just a touch for that right there.
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James
Ah.
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Ryan Baron North
um Animation for the time and for the budget they were working with, I thought was fantastic. Without a doubt.
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James
Honestly, still pretty good. If you don't have like one of those ultra high speed like televisions, like the 4K and stuff, it looks great. If you just turn down the definition, it still looks really good.
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Ryan Baron North
Oh, yeah.
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Ryan Baron North
It, it really does. And we just recently did the fifth element and the fifth element was, and the fifth element had, it was Bruce Willis coming off of Die Hard.
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James
That looks bad.
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Luke
Hahahaha!
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Ryan Baron North
We had Gary Oldman and they, they did not put the money into the look of it, but this one did.
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Luke
Sometimes it's not money.
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Ryan Baron North
And so for that.
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James
Yeah.
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Luke
I mean, ah you know, movie magic's a real thing. Like the shit that people are able to accomplish with, with like ah you said, James, puppets. Like, i like, i like James said, I watched it last night.
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James
yeah
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Luke
I have a 1080p TV and I legit was like this. That was one of the genuine takeaways I remember specifically was enjoying how like the monsters looked like real. I was like, this looks like real.
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Luke
I was so appalled at how well they did it.
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah, no, they they really did good and uh Doogie Howser was fantastic. It was fun watching He really was I mean it started really early on when he's just telling his ferret to go attack his fucking mom Yeah He was and that's why he got into their gestapo Um
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James
This is a real dick.
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Luke
Yeah, like, why?
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James
Yeah.
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Luke
Why?
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James
Yeah. A little sociopath.
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Luke
yeah he
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James
Yeah. That's why they put him in charge because he's a little sociopath.
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Ryan Baron North
and
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah, and we'll talk about that on the next portion.
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Luke
I'll do what needs to be done.
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Ryan Baron North
Yeah, we'll talk about that on the next portion. And I'm tall i'm tallying my scores right now. But and so as far as finally the story, ah the story, I think was great.
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Ryan Baron North
Where I think it lost points was
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James
Oh boy, here we go. Another Paul Verhoeven's not good at satire. live Let, let, lay it out.
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Ryan Baron North
yeah
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James
Let's go.
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Ryan Baron North
No, uh, my problem was that, um, Dizzy died, uh, horribly.
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James
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
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Ryan Baron North
What?
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James
after after fulfilling her goal she fulfilled her goal of pleasing our protagonist with her vagina and that was all she needed that's all we needed her for right
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Luke
um Unnecessarily, Willie.
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Ryan Baron North
Unnecess.
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Ryan Baron North
And then that was it. Meanwhile, fucking Denise Richards is uh saved and rescued and all of her transgressions because i have a note here um where she says oh my rico are you jealous and he and on my note is he did in fact have to be jealous
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Ryan Baron North
um And the I think the rewarding of ah her character just based off of the fact of straight hair and ah Burnett versus ah Dizzy and that's the only reason one died, one didn't.
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Ryan Baron North
um I feel brings the
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James
That's the, it's the point. They're Nazis. It's ah it's a story about Nazis.
00:19:08.13
Luke
hahahaha
00:19:11.27
Ryan Baron North
So, um so we we get to enjoy Disney's vagina as long as she dies and I go back to the woman who looks the way we're expecting.
00:19:11.67
James
and
00:19:20.70
James
Right. It's the woman who's rewarded for being the society's ideals.
00:19:21.43
Ryan Baron North
Yes.
00:19:26.10
James
That's exactly right. That's the point of the movie.
00:19:30.15
Ryan Baron North
which Which, in my opinion, I think is the perfect segue into our golden path. um Because this thing needs to be dissected. Because there are some things, in my opinion, that are so subtle, I ask
00:19:43.33
James
Okay. Okay.
00:19:45.06
Ryan Baron North
yeah i i ask i i think i think paul what the fuck um was just into dennise richards personally um and for that i give it a 4.4 4
00:19:49.18
James
ah
00:19:59.80
James
Oh, just like he was just into Sharon Stone in Total Recall.
00:20:05.07
Luke
and For that, a 4x1.
00:20:05.81
Ryan Baron North
.4
00:20:08.13
James
I could watch her i could watch her play virtual tennis all day.
00:20:11.73
Luke
but
00:20:13.38
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, I know what he was doing. I know what he's doing. It's only a matter of time before his name gets unblacked from the Epstein logs. So I i know what was going on. So with that being the case, it is time to move into the second part of this this show. It's time to get onto our golden path. it's time I feel that the alcohol and the the cannabis has been flowing. We now have some deeper thoughts.
00:20:39.18
Luke
It's a flow in.
00:20:40.62
Ryan Baron North
It's time for one more shot, one more hit, one more toast.
00:20:44.93
James
Okay.
00:20:46.68
James
Pacing yourself is so hard in these.
00:20:46.86
Ryan Baron North
be I know, especially when you're dealing with 120 horsepower.
00:20:50.31
James
Starting to get pretty fucked up.
00:20:53.66
James
All right, take just just take sips, guys. We got to get we got a lot to talk about.
00:20:58.09
Luke
Okay, okay.
00:21:00.18
James
We're gonna sit sit throughout.
00:21:02.04
Ryan Baron North
Sip throughout. All right. All right. So viewers at home, I know you expect a lot from us, but we're dealing with some powerful shit right here. So we're going to sip throughout.
00:21:10.73
James
This is gonna get contentious.
00:21:12.33
Ryan Baron North
Yeah. So ah here is to the contention in this classical and very, very upstanding film critique that you only expect from high and dry.
00:21:27.26
Ryan Baron North
Cube the Beethoven. Cheers.
00:21:30.20
James
He's not even good at math, Dizzy. You deserve better.
00:21:36.32
Ryan Baron North
to dizzy, deserving better than that.
00:21:39.09
Luke
Dizzy was, one second, man.
00:21:44.29
Luke
Dizzy was way hotter, way hotter than Captain Clement.
00:21:48.48
Ryan Baron North
You're just saying that because of the co-ed shower scene.
00:21:51.40
James
She was working on her shoulders.
00:21:52.04
Luke
No, no, no, no, no, no.
00:21:54.10
Ryan Baron North
So defensive.
00:21:54.29
Luke
I, ah a girl with curly hair, it's beautiful.
00:21:54.61
James
did yeah yeah And you could tell this was working on her shoulders and Denise Richards.
00:21:58.34
Luke
I can't, you know.
00:22:02.79
Ryan Baron North
Oh, yeah.
00:22:03.65
James
Not really.
00:22:04.68
Luke
No.
00:22:04.87
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, Dizzy was working on them shoulders for sure.
00:22:07.25
Luke
yeah
00:22:07.27
James
you know shoulder shoulder That shoulder work was ahead of its time.
00:22:07.89
Ryan Baron North
ah Oh yeah, without a doubt.
00:22:11.70
Luke
Yeah, genuinely.
00:22:13.19
Ryan Baron North
well Well, I mean, had she have gone to... Oh my God, this this film got so much right, except that Dizzy would have these weird right-wing nut jobs calling her a man because of her shoulders.
00:22:25.62
Ryan Baron North
um And...
00:22:28.55
James
Well, uh, you know, the thing about the Nazis is they, they were, uh, uh, they were really good at not giving a shit about their own ideals.
00:22:39.55
James
They didn't really give a shit about their own ideals as long as they achieved a goal.
00:22:39.61
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:22:44.06
James
Uh, and that's the same with all like crazy far right people are all, all people who are like radicals, right?
00:22:50.86
Ryan Baron North
Yes.
00:22:51.26
James
They, they care more about achieving their goals than their actual idea.
00:22:54.09
Luke
Yeah, they use the ideals as a weapon or a tool more than they're actually, like, they believe in them.
00:22:57.38
James
Yeah.
00:22:58.27
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, definitely.
00:22:59.65
Luke
Yeah.
00:22:59.87
Ryan Baron North
Definitely. Yeah.
00:23:00.92
James
and they're only gonna use it against their enemies.
00:23:04.25
Luke
Yeah, if it ever falls back on the- Whoa, whoa, whoa, I didn't mean like that.
00:23:08.43
James
Yeah, exactly.
00:23:08.59
Luke
What? You silly goose, you really twisted those words, didn't you?
00:23:12.96
James
I mean, the homosexuality and homoeroticism of the Nazis while while persecuting the gays is just like, it's a really clear display.
00:23:13.13
Ryan Baron North
Well fucking oh Yeah, no without a doubt and I mean the whole thing just sounds like RFK right now, but um so back to the film um So your golden path thoughts Guess first, we got a lot to talk about here.
00:23:37.13
Ryan Baron North
that This thing is just fucking ripe for diving into.
00:23:41.31
Luke
Well one thing that I definitely want to point out is the entire movie is just one propaganda to get you to join. That is what it is.
00:23:49.24
James
Yes!
00:23:49.43
Luke
Like you said it, when you guys said it in the acting, like honestly after you had said about the acting kind of being on purpose, it like almost clicked for me a little bit.
00:23:59.93
Luke
I'm like, because the way it starts is like the kind of the intro to it. And then it ends with the outro. And I just I at first didn't realize it.
00:24:06.24
Ryan Baron North
Mmhmm.
00:24:08.86
Luke
And I was like, Oh, that was kind of cool. I liked the way it ended. to be Like, that's not cool. Like, but until you guys said the acting was kind of on purpose. That is it's one giant propaganda. And now you see it in a new light it's kind of a work of art like it really like how how good good it good like that's a fucking incredible way to tell a story and like very very out of the box thinking from the director like genia like the acting i'm so glad we even talked about it put put the movie in a whole new life for me i think like such a genius way to do like a um a propaganda movie to join some nazis basically
00:24:45.98
Ryan Baron North
Yes, ah to join the Nazis.
00:24:46.47
James
Yeah, you know, that's the thing though.
00:24:46.80
Luke
so yeah took it but
00:24:50.91
James
Paul Verhoeven had a quote about this when he was like recruiting people to to to work on this film. ah one ah The guy who played Rachek, I think it was his name, the ah the teacher at the beginning who's missing a hand.
00:25:03.43
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:25:03.46
James
He was also in total recall, he's and Robocop, I think. He's in all he's in all Paul Verhoeven's movies.
00:25:08.15
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, it had nothing to do with money or anything like that, yeah.
00:25:10.84
Luke
That's
00:25:10.98
James
Yeah, and he showed him the script and he was like, this is a movie.
00:25:15.56
Luke
okay.
00:25:16.70
James
This is a Nazi recruitment video.
00:25:18.59
Luke
yeah Really?
00:25:18.76
James
And he's like, he's like, he's like, yeah, he's like, he's like, that's right. That's what Heinlein's original novel was.
00:25:23.28
Ryan Baron North
Interesting.
00:25:26.79
James
But it it but it treated it like it's a good thing I want to I want to build that nazi's perfect society that they're always talking about that that, you know weaves corporations and the government and uh, you know information all together and military and you know The the and culture all together and I want to to make it good for only doing one thing and that's killing fucking bugs and it's not good for anything else and
00:25:56.19
Luke
It.
00:25:56.28
Ryan Baron North
so know so So that's wild in that this episode right here. So every every time we bring Luke on, it it fucking changes the trajectory of what we're doing here. And now, ah after a listener hears this shit as we start attacking the Nazis, um yeah, we're gonna be officially branded a far left podcast.
00:26:22.24
James
I don't think being anti-Nazi is far left. i think maybe I think maybe a lot of people want people to feel that way.
00:26:25.63
Ryan Baron North
It's not. It's not.
00:26:29.71
Luke
but
00:26:29.91
Ryan Baron North
Exactly.
00:26:30.45
James
I think a bunch of Nazis want people to feel that way.
00:26:31.09
Ryan Baron North
And, well, you've heard it. You've heard it here first. Unsubscribe. ah High and Dry Podcast is officially against the Nazis.
00:26:44.24
James
You're an antifa radical.
00:26:46.19
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, i'm I'm a monster. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, please continue.
00:26:53.51
James
um've I've got, oh, it's your turn, Luke, but if you want, I've got more quotes that kind of like fall into this maybe that could be thought of in this way that they haven't been before.
00:26:55.81
Ryan Baron North
Oh.
00:27:02.87
Luke
no No, no, no.
00:27:03.13
Ryan Baron North
Well, no, Luke had a fucking turn.
00:27:03.43
Luke
Yeah, come on James. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:27:05.89
James
Oh, no. oh
00:27:08.32
Luke
Continue, James. Yeah, that was that was that was my golden hat thought, so.
00:27:13.71
James
So so let's talk about this through this through line of this society being good for nothing but killing bugs Specifically, you know you a lot of people who look at this movie and didn't understand the satire would say This society is doing a good job Like they've taken they've taken this young man who was wishy washy on his on his service to his country and what it meant and turned him into
00:27:20.50
Ryan Baron North
Okay.
00:27:38.27
James
a person who saves lives and and does ah does remarkable military service protecting his species. And this movie is a celebration of him. But there are specific scenes in this movie that point out why it's a satire. um the The scene at the beginning where there's the two pundits talking and one says, listen, there's something going on here where these bugs are thinking.
00:28:05.89
James
there's There's there's there's there's got to be a way to communicate with them and the person says a thinking bug That offends my sensibilities and I was like and I was like, oh my god This is just like fucking far-right people pundits now um Seriously, it's like it's
00:28:14.88
Luke
Yeah.
00:28:23.29
Ryan Baron North
Oh, thinking leftist!
00:28:25.76
James
No, really, like an outraged ah political pundit is like an evergreen fucking satire.
00:28:30.39
Ryan Baron North
Mhm.
00:28:33.73
James
And it's really funny. ah But but it she turns out being right. And so that, you know, we didn't know that at the time. But if you think about that, they can be communicated with.
00:28:45.97
James
And theres there's that possibility. And they this this society foregoes that for combat, for killing, for for both sending their young people to die and destroying the enemy. like that's the That's the path they choose. Now, they let's say let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say, they don't know that they're smart. They don't know that they're intelligent, that they have feelings or are capable of complex thought and communication. Well, at the end,
00:29:14.07
James
Uh, Dookihauser learns that they are capable of emotions that are comparable to human emotions. He goes up to that brain bug and he says, it's afraid.
00:29:23.17
Ryan Baron North
Yes.
00:29:26.85
James
And, and everybody goes, yeah, yeah, it's they're they're afraid of us.
00:29:29.99
Luke
Yeah, they all start cheering.
00:29:30.80
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:29:32.88
Luke
I- when that happened, I actually- I did not expect- I legitimately thought that that was gonna kind of be a turning point in their whole thought process. I thought they were gonna go, oh shit, we fu- Nope!
00:29:41.91
Ryan Baron North
Nope.
00:29:44.39
Luke
They're like, yeah! Pussy! Afraid of us! Like, what?! I was a jaw drop to that. I did not expect that, really.
00:29:52.80
Ryan Baron North
Yep.
00:29:52.85
James
they they liked that their enemy felt that that the enemy was suffering right they liked that the enemy was suffering was bolstering to them and this the following scenes show that they're not trying to communicate with this bug they're torturing the bug
00:30:08.16
Luke
no
00:30:10.46
James
and and like it shows videos of them like penetrating it like it's a really like visceral penetration kind of scene where they censor it but that then your mind fills in like okay what are they what is actually happening under there and what are they showing you know what what are they what are they doing really i like that the censoring was good uh a good choice um
00:30:13.28
Luke
No.
00:30:28.94
Luke
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:31.64
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, definitely.
00:30:34.43
James
But that's the society that exists, is it's only good for killing bugs.
00:30:43.88
Ryan Baron North
Yes.
00:30:44.26
Luke
And let's be honest, as Luke got those low test scores and that makes him kind of like a very perfect fit.
00:30:44.28
Ryan Baron North
um He's the perfect candidate.
00:30:51.17
Luke
Yeah. Perfect candidate. yeah You really are susceptible and and easily influenced. and And they're like, perfect.
00:30:57.88
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:30:58.58
Luke
I can make you a fucking soldier. Like a true, just do it, kill bug soldier.
00:31:01.09
Ryan Baron North
and Well,
00:31:04.07
Ryan Baron North
Well, and it started it started this anti-intellectualism.
00:31:09.75
James
yeah
00:31:10.63
Ryan Baron North
And so from the very shot, we're supposed to um start looking at Rico and empathizing with him.
00:31:11.00
Luke
Yeah, legitimately.
00:31:23.10
Ryan Baron North
It's not his fault that he's a fucking moron.
00:31:23.74
James
Yeah.
00:31:26.66
Ryan Baron North
um And it's all these other people who applied themselves shot for greater, who are the bad guy?
00:31:34.73
Luke
Yeah I'm so glad you said that Yeah, because it's so funny and Not until the end of the movie are they actually at their own fuck the real age they are until the end of the movie
00:31:36.03
Ryan Baron North
Well, he should be great just because his hair is awesome, and because his parents raised an 18 year old 35 year old man.
00:31:36.29
James
Well, they're
00:31:44.09
Ryan Baron North
um
00:31:54.19
James
a
00:31:57.32
Ryan Baron North
these These parents are raising a 17 year old turned 18 who looks like the fucking crimson chin And he looks like it Nailed it
00:32:06.00
James
but You know, i when I was doing research for this, I looked back at like, I was like, what did what did Nazi propaganda look like? Like, because they had Nazi propaganda.
00:32:18.41
James
They fucking, he fucking nailed Nazi propaganda so much. The like, the choices, like I watched some short clips and the the the shots they chose, like the specific angle of the shots is like a Nazi propaganda angle.
00:32:26.23
Ryan Baron North
His hair?
00:32:30.16
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:32:30.85
Luke
Oh, wow, wow.
00:32:33.98
Ryan Baron North
Yeah. Well, and then the piece of shit, intellectual smart man, who's slowly stealing his girl. His hair's disheveled.
00:32:45.10
Ryan Baron North
He's he's not blonde.
00:32:45.17
James
Yeah.
00:32:47.86
Luke
He...
00:32:47.82
James
They have him with his chin, they have him with his chin down, looking up, you know, like, ah like scheming.
00:32:47.89
Ryan Baron North
ah
00:32:52.16
Ryan Baron North
Yep.
00:32:55.11
James
He's not straightforward about his intentions to do harm.
00:32:55.27
Ryan Baron North
Yes.
00:32:59.11
James
The straightforwardness is the good part. It's being sneaky about it that's bad, you know?
00:33:04.24
Ryan Baron North
Yes. Well, and and so some of my my golden path thoughts here um were so I go straight to the coed showers.
00:33:17.70
James
Instead live there.
00:33:17.88
Ryan Baron North
um
00:33:19.24
James
You set up a tent.
00:33:20.20
Ryan Baron North
And I set up a tent, and that's what we do. um But but what's what's funny is the the whole scene is played off as just in the future, we don't care about all that shit, but um as soon as someone needs to make be made fun of, there's casual sexual assault.
00:33:43.29
James
Right, right.
00:33:43.67
Ryan Baron North
um There is casual ah sexual harassment. Rico just gets his bare ass spanked. ah
00:33:54.89
James
that's true
00:33:56.10
Ryan Baron North
Walking out of that place because he's a bitch who likes a girl.
00:33:56.40
James
That's true.
00:34:01.39
Luke
thank Idiot! Yeah!
00:34:04.11
Ryan Baron North
Fucking moron.
00:34:05.02
Luke
but
00:34:07.28
Ryan Baron North
And my other golden path thought was, holy shit, Amy Smart is in this? um but
00:34:12.53
James
That's why I have that too, surprise Amy Smart was one of my cool lines.
00:34:18.75
Luke
That's so funny. It's important to be funny.
00:34:22.37
Ryan Baron North
But what I loved ah particularly about this movie is how much subtle world building they did Slipped into just casual dialogue.
00:34:33.36
Ryan Baron North
So in that shower scene ah When they're asking why'd you join?
00:34:34.40
James
Right.
00:34:38.18
Ryan Baron North
This one this one woman whose bare breasts we've now seen um says that ah she wants to be a mother and Joining the military is the quickest way to a license
00:34:50.70
James
Yeah.
00:34:51.94
Ryan Baron North
and then they just move on to the next thing when any, exactly.
00:34:55.75
James
Well, that's their world. They're they're all indoctrinated.
00:34:58.34
Luke
oh I'm not gonna lie I the lights it's I was kind of like what did she oh i it was they passed it so quick that I was like that can't be important I was like okay like that's how quick Wow
00:35:09.35
Ryan Baron North
But what what they just stated there was that this society requires you, there's eugenics involved in this society, and it requires you to have a license.
00:35:22.12
Ryan Baron North
And she didn't even say that this military service was a guaranteed license.
00:35:27.22
James
Yeah, it's easier.
00:35:28.74
Ryan Baron North
It's just easier, which means they're still looking like, well, is the does the father look like Luke? um
00:35:38.39
James
Everybody at that high school was a model.
00:35:41.43
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:35:41.68
Luke
all of them yeah my god and 35 huh
00:35:43.99
Ryan Baron North
Yeah. And at first, you're... Yeah, I'm 35.
00:35:46.87
James
ah you you can that that's That may be the effects of genetic engineering through this system, through eugenics.
00:35:49.71
Ryan Baron North
but
00:35:52.43
Ryan Baron North
Of the genetic engineering.
00:35:53.57
Luke
yeah maybe maybe
00:35:54.13
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, we might all look, um we might all be in line with this societal view on beauty and all that sort of thing. But, um like, what kind of damage is this fucking causing?
00:36:07.45
Ryan Baron North
I mean, ah fucking look at this.
00:36:08.70
James
Oh, yeah.
00:36:10.14
Ryan Baron North
um
00:36:10.54
James
well Well, the society is only good for killing bugs.
00:36:10.78
Ryan Baron North
and then
00:36:14.08
Ryan Baron North
Yeah. ah Well, and it's funny because then then we see Rico's parents and it's like, Jesus Christ, what the hell happened? um Sir, you look like a foot. ah
00:36:28.61
Ryan Baron North
ah
00:36:29.04
Luke
Yeah, he's he's literally five foot six, you know, just like, yeah.
00:36:32.39
Ryan Baron North
yeah He's this little dwarf man. um
00:36:36.55
James
Rika, Rika, don't throw away your 20s on the military. You gotta to get out there and fuck before you turn into a dwarf. It happens when you're 32. There's nothing we can do about it. Look at me.
00:36:47.40
Ryan Baron North
Look at me. I used to look like you. I i used to look better than you. He grabs him in. I looked better.
00:36:55.10
James
You get to that party and planet and you fuck.
00:36:55.58
Ryan Baron North
You understand me? yeah
00:36:58.84
Luke
It's all downhill from here.
00:37:01.33
James
You fuck.
00:37:03.74
Ryan Baron North
so We live in goddamn Nazi Germany. Fuck!
00:37:07.21
James
okay
00:37:09.89
Luke
Oh, not to mention, by the way, Argentina. They lived in Argentina.
00:37:14.40
Ryan Baron North
Yes.
00:37:14.51
James
Oh yeah yeah, no, definitely not.
00:37:15.33
Ryan Baron North
ah
00:37:15.60
Luke
Coincidence? Coincidence? I don't know.
00:37:18.36
Ryan Baron North
No, definitely not.
00:37:20.71
Luke
I was like, when you guys said that, I was like, yeah, that's a little weird. because but yeah so
00:37:27.13
Ryan Baron North
Well, I also think that it's super Nazi that sports has officially turned into arena football.
00:37:36.62
Luke
I thought that I was a good friend of football, right?
00:37:36.81
James
It's brutal, right?
00:37:39.82
Luke
What is it happening?
00:37:42.05
James
It was, did you guys watch arena football?
00:37:45.23
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:37:45.59
Luke
oh
00:37:45.92
James
did you guys wasn't it Wasn't it fucking brutal?
00:37:46.28
Luke
yeah
00:37:48.77
Ryan Baron North
but it's It's just that this society has lost, like even within the realms of sporting, it's lost any sense of sportsmanship, ah any sense of uh, camaraderie.
00:38:09.07
Ryan Baron North
It's all gone.
00:38:09.25
James
yeah
00:38:10.31
Ryan Baron North
And the point of sports is for you to put on this helmet. And we've taken away the mask piece, by the way. If if you get fucked up, we're gonna watch it.
00:38:17.18
Luke
yeah no i
00:38:19.53
Ryan Baron North
Um, and yo, you go fight for your girlfriend.
00:38:19.95
James
yeah yeah
00:38:23.17
Ryan Baron North
Alright, get in there. And then he slaps him on his bare ass and off he goes.
00:38:27.10
Luke
love how she just is like she also is just like what are you like just flirting with him kind of like you know give him like but all this attention and then johnny will get like jealous she's like you're jealous what the fuck yeah i'm 90 sure i saw you grab his crotch yeah i'm a little jealous
00:38:27.21
Ryan Baron North
um
00:38:31.71
Ryan Baron North
Um... Oh, yeah.
00:38:38.53
Ryan Baron North
What the fuck?
00:38:45.09
Luke
think
00:38:45.75
Ryan Baron North
It's like 90%.
00:38:47.04
James
Yeah.
00:38:47.86
Luke
I'm not positive, but I'm just, I'm pretty sure it happened.
00:38:48.54
James
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:55.42
Ryan Baron North
So in my opinion, that that right there speaks to ah Rico's lack of, honestly, just mental health in that he's willing to just, well, I guess I just keep fighting for it because she's the girl that looks like she's supposed to.
00:39:14.72
Luke
Yeah, now, now another,
00:39:14.83
Ryan Baron North
um
00:39:14.87
James
Yeah, she's the she's the ideal woman.
00:39:17.65
Ryan Baron North
Yeah. where Where anyone who, who's healthy at that point would understand like, Hey, you're just kind of playing. That's not what I'm looking for. I'm going to step away from this.
00:39:27.93
Luke
Yeah. Well, but it's funny cause I bet you an 18 year old kid could probably relate to that. And then me 10 years later from that, I'm like, if a girl even, if I saw a girl that I was like, just like a few months dating, I would not talk to her ever yet.
00:39:32.61
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:39:41.73
Luke
I wouldn't even break up with her. I'd just would be like, all right, well, guess she's with him now.
00:39:44.39
Ryan Baron North
yeah
00:39:45.27
Luke
Cool beans.
00:39:45.69
James
but but she never See, here's the thing, and it's very Nazi-like, is she never she never explicitly did any of the anything bad.
00:39:46.12
Luke
like
00:39:55.17
Luke
No, no.
00:39:55.25
James
like It was all all plausibly deniable, which is the kind of sexual woman the Nazis wanted, was a plausibly deniable one who was conservative, but also, you know,
00:39:58.81
Luke
Yeah, she- Co- coincidence.
00:40:08.17
Ryan Baron North
She should do some shit for you and then there there'd be some rug burns.
00:40:10.50
Luke
Co- coincidence.
00:40:12.20
James
Yeah, right, exactly seductive, but not in a way that's threatening, right?
00:40:13.18
Ryan Baron North
ah
00:40:17.32
Luke
Yeah.
00:40:17.86
James
All plausibly deniable.
00:40:20.36
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, well, so meanwhile, Dizzy was very forward about what she wanted.
00:40:26.32
James
Yeah.
00:40:26.57
Ryan Baron North
She was very open, honest, and she did not straighten her hair.
00:40:31.87
James
Right.
00:40:32.59
Ryan Baron North
It was red like the filthy Scots.
00:40:39.36
Ryan Baron North
um and yeah And so she died a horrible death after after our boy got a taste.
00:40:43.78
Luke
naturally yeah obviously and then we just go right back to toxicity as soon as we can jesus christ find a little bit of a little bit of stability and we're like nope back to that shit that was awesome
00:40:45.37
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, obviously she had to die.
00:40:57.32
Ryan Baron North
Nope, nope. The girl I wanted in the first place, her boyfriend died horribly. um I'm back at it again.
00:41:04.47
Luke
This is just worth it. I'm stars of a line, really. I'm sorry. It's just meant to be.
00:41:09.46
Ryan Baron North
I will mourn you for an appropriate 35 minutes.
00:41:09.72
James
Yeah, it really...
00:41:14.98
James
It really is. The stars align and things just work. And that's kind of how Nazi propaganda is.
00:41:25.45
Luke
They're like, this is if it it'll work out for you.
00:41:27.24
James
ah Truly.
00:41:27.65
Luke
come Yeah.
00:41:28.58
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:41:28.81
James
Yeah, it it'll work out. Even if it's incredibly implausible.
00:41:33.90
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, even if that's not the way life works.
00:41:34.02
Luke
but
00:41:37.18
Ryan Baron North
At all.
00:41:38.17
Luke
Trust me. Trust us.
00:41:39.93
Ryan Baron North
Trust us.
00:41:40.19
Luke
It will.
00:41:41.37
Ryan Baron North
Trust us.
00:41:42.28
James
God, I love this movie.
00:41:44.44
Luke
and it genius Like I said, it's for it's time, and even to this day, which is what, I mean, we're we're getting close to 30 years, um not far off, 27, and wow, know still still a phenomenal movie, genuinely.
00:41:55.79
James
Yeah, that's that's wild.
00:41:56.59
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, we're almost there. Jesus Christ.
00:42:01.69
Luke
like For me to watch it live, and you know I sat down and enjoyed it through. You know what, ah like, it wasn't like one where you're like, God, I'm just put, put some, no, like two, it's two hours.
00:42:09.87
James
Yeah.
00:42:14.66
Luke
I, like, I didn't expect that.
00:42:15.60
Ryan Baron North
No, it was nothing like Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon. um
00:42:19.35
James
Yeah, I paused this movie to take notes.
00:42:19.41
Luke
No, not quite, not quite.
00:42:24.43
James
Like so a lot of movies that we watch, I like just pull my phone out and take notes as the movie's going.
00:42:29.68
Luke
Yeah.
00:42:29.69
James
I paused this movie to take notes because it was so good.
00:42:33.27
Luke
So you could yeah continue it through, yeah. it's ah je i was I was very, like, I'm still blown away by the effects. That was really what pulled me in, though it really was like the most mind-blowing thing for me, especially at the time. like i I really enjoyed that aspect of it.
00:42:52.62
James
I got a really good quote here for you guys that I think you'll like for the Golden Path portion.
00:42:56.24
Luke
Okay.
00:42:56.73
James
Verhoeven said, all the way through, I wanted audience to be asking, are these characters crazy? And and and and think things like the characters are fascists who don't know they're fascists.
00:43:13.07
James
And I think that the lot of people who have just enjoyed this movie straight I don't know their fascists, like in a way without the satire.
00:43:20.81
Ryan Baron North
Yes.
00:43:22.63
James
I think i think that's exactly who he's talking about, or people who are fascists who don't know their fascists. Just like when he did Total Recall, he didn't people who take that movie at face value instead of seeing that it's satire and surreal, ah are the people he's satirizing.
00:43:38.12
James
It's the same thing.
00:43:38.24
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:43:39.56
James
um And I just think Paul Verhoeven is such a brilliant filmmaker. And he stopped doing satire after this because people were not understanding his satire. He also did RoboCop, by the way, which is satirizing the people that love the movie on its face, you know?
00:43:48.69
Ryan Baron North
They weren't catching the point.
00:43:54.54
Ryan Baron North
I love the flut like, Hey guys, we shouldn't have this that this shouldn't be.
00:43:55.40
James
And that was, he had a he had a problem here.
00:44:00.76
Luke
Like this is not actually good. Yeah, this is not good.
00:44:04.02
Ryan Baron North
No.
00:44:04.64
James
Paul, your satire is too subtle.
00:44:07.32
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, every time he does it, oh my god.
00:44:08.12
James
you keep You keep making Nazis, man.
00:44:11.09
Ryan Baron North
do And you you meet these people who um latch onto Robocop without a doubt, like, oh, we could use a fucking Robocop. We could use it, Judge Dredd, brother. um And it...
00:44:21.90
James
Paul, you're doing irreparable damage to our society.
00:44:24.45
Luke
but
00:44:24.46
James
You got you gotta stop making satire.
00:44:27.87
Luke
it's too good a satire that's the good it's not if we like the satire but unfortunately it's tricking too many people and it's creating a problem it's good <unk> it's good he stopped it
00:44:29.47
James
ah
00:44:33.95
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:44:36.32
Ryan Baron North
No, and and that that is and and and that has been a constant and that's been a constant theme on this podcast is that we're not always as a society mature enough to take your satire.
00:44:36.50
James
It takes 10 to years for society to get it.
00:44:53.80
Ryan Baron North
And at that point, should you have made it? I don't know. um
00:44:58.28
James
we We do have an appreciation of it. ah Who knows what part that Starship Troopers played in our appreciation of satire today?
00:45:08.22
Ryan Baron North
Mm-hmm
00:45:08.62
James
Because I watched this movie on like sci-fi channel or whatever, and on TV, you know, in the 2000s. And this may have had a big ah big influence on our are perceptions of the world today.
00:45:23.70
James
I watched this movie probably like 30 times in my life.
00:45:27.65
Ryan Baron North
Wow, okay
00:45:29.02
Luke
That is a dang. That's fine even funny.
00:45:31.45
James
I used to, I used to just leave the TV on all the time though. So I mean, it wasn't like sit down and be like, I'm.
00:45:35.18
Luke
When it would come on, you're like, all right, Starship Troopers, let's watch it.
00:45:35.32
Ryan Baron North
yeah Yeah, it showed up. Yeah, Starship Troopers is pretty cheap for networks to replay, so.
00:45:43.03
James
Yeah. And, and if, but if I saw Starship Troopers, I would put it on in the background. If I saw shit Starship Troopers, I was like, yeah, I'll put that shit on. ah
00:45:51.05
Luke
Yeah, I mean I I could see why too like and it's one of those you every moment that you would tune in you'd be like Oh, yeah, this is good Yeah, and then you can tune out like it's it's one of those that no matter at what point you're tuning in it'll you'll get to enjoy it Yeah
00:45:59.60
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:46:06.33
James
you you look up at the screen and you see two people like cheesing it up, like chewing the scenery, being as cheesy as possible, going to get their tattoos.
00:46:06.50
Ryan Baron North
yes
00:46:15.20
James
yeah You know, it it was and so good, man.
00:46:17.22
Ryan Baron North
the
00:46:20.89
James
every Every single beat had something that was engaging.
00:46:24.14
Ryan Baron North
Yes.
00:46:24.75
James
And whether you were like, this is this is so frustrating and these characters are shitty or damn, that was cool. No matter what, you were engaged with it every time.
00:46:34.95
Luke
Yeah, I think that's a really good way to put it.
00:46:35.30
Ryan Baron North
Definitely. Definitely.
00:46:37.85
Luke
It is fully engaging the entire time, like genuinely.
00:46:42.49
Ryan Baron North
Well, so with that being said, um it's time to dive into the third part of this episode. And that is the what if. So what we're going to do now for the rest of this little thing um is we are going to take this film and insert ourselves.
00:47:01.32
Ryan Baron North
So and I just got to say, I haven't seen you guys doing anything close to sipping as I'm fucking sitting here taking on this
00:47:08.64
Luke
I did do more and I swear!
00:47:11.46
Ryan Baron North
as I'm sitting here taking on this 120 or...
00:47:16.05
Ryan Baron North
That's 120 horses just fucking coursing through me that I'm...
00:47:18.93
James
Alright. I'm sipping.
00:47:24.21
Ryan Baron North
um So, it's time for our what if. So, Luke, long time friend, IT t specialist and system admin. um What would happen to Starship Troopers if you were involved?
00:47:37.28
Luke
Well, I would likely be an IT admin. um i
00:47:39.94
James
Ha ha ha ha ha!
00:47:40.58
Ryan Baron North
ah
00:47:43.73
Luke
No. In all honesty, I think, and I hate to say this, and you know, maybe maybe I'm being too hard on myself, but I don't think I'm gonna be, I'm giving that main character. I'm not Luke.
00:47:54.77
Luke
That's why I put i put it for my name on here, but let's be honest. I'm not gonna give that kind of energy out there. I'm probably gonna be like, this fucking sucks. I'm not enjoying this. I don't wanna be here.
00:48:03.90
James
how What's your math score though?
00:48:06.66
Luke
my
00:48:09.58
Luke
I'm not a fucking 39%, that's for sure. I would probably give myself a 65, maybe 75.
00:48:16.90
Ryan Baron North
Solid, solid.
00:48:18.04
Luke
We're gonna pass, but we're not we're not impressing anybody with our math scores.
00:48:20.88
Ryan Baron North
yeah
00:48:21.13
James
You don't have to be mobile infantry.
00:48:23.31
Luke
yeah yeah i can potentially have another career but i likely uh would end up doing maybe in all seriousness probably something like it i'd end up like some technician on a ship who would end up like he's just out there the systems are down call luke Alright, then I'm just, I'm fucking sprinting, i' but you know, real enthusiastic about the IT, t but, um, I don't think I would like really be an influence.
00:48:23.34
James
Another group will accept you.
00:48:49.24
Luke
I'm the guy that is floating through space and fucking Carmen just fucking off the windshield. Like, that's probably me.
00:48:54.72
Ryan Baron North
but so
00:48:55.44
James
yeah yeah you're youre
00:48:56.26
Luke
Yeah. so to ah how to How to redirect bug missile, uh,
00:48:57.56
James
yeah You're yeah looking up the docs about how to fix a giant bug missile.
00:49:00.75
Ryan Baron North
ah
00:49:04.26
James
What happens to a giant bug missile? but but but
00:49:10.10
Ryan Baron North
But we also know that the military never really gives you what you want so he's like the ship's barber He's
00:49:15.33
Luke
Yeah, it's I'm really not gonna get what I want.
00:49:19.60
Ryan Baron North
trying to trim as the fucking missiles come in
00:49:21.52
James
ah but church
00:49:21.66
Luke
it as and I'm just telling them, yeah, so as soon as they get an opening, I'll be in IT. It's gonna be sweet. It's gonna be sweet.
00:49:32.56
Ryan Baron North
It's just just fucking up his hair. Giving him that sweet BX cut.
00:49:37.40
Luke
Yeah.
00:49:37.73
Ryan Baron North
ah
00:49:38.58
Luke
ah but Middle part BX.
00:49:42.76
James
Why did they have to...
00:49:43.42
Ryan Baron North
Getting tipped two bucks.
00:49:45.64
James
Why the fuck did they have to park their giant spaceships so close to the planet?
00:49:50.20
Ryan Baron North
Right?
00:49:50.56
Luke
yeah they just can't do it like three times it happened and it was just who they're like what a surprise Pikachu like what the
00:49:50.62
James
that's that wasn't That wasn't necessary. right
00:49:58.83
Ryan Baron North
So in in this what if, you'd have a barber going, I don't know why. They park us so close.
00:50:05.42
James
i
00:50:06.50
Luke
but
00:50:11.02
Ryan Baron North
ah Turn your head.
00:50:13.56
Luke
it crazy
00:50:14.70
Ryan Baron North
ah Oh shit.
00:50:15.29
Luke
but
00:50:17.04
Ryan Baron North
The scissors go into his jugular.
00:50:22.11
Ryan Baron North
Oh fuck.
00:50:23.81
Luke
and then it's this last thought is that he killed a man with a pair of scissors and now he's that
00:50:24.04
Ryan Baron North
ah
00:50:29.04
Ryan Baron North
I'm a real military man now!
00:50:32.80
Luke
man have had it coming i saw it in his eyes
00:50:37.44
Ryan Baron North
yeah oh fuck ah James, what about you? How do you feel?
00:50:43.40
James
Uh, I would, um, let's see if I was in this story, I'd be one of the bugs. i feel i feel what you know you know that You know that bug that they show where they shoot it and like for just a second it like zooms in on its eyes and its eyes aren't like but bug eyes, they're like sentient eyes and it just like kind of looks, it just kind of looks at him and you're like, wait a second, that was a real human-like eye.
00:51:02.46
Luke
yeah yeah
00:51:07.04
Ryan Baron North
Yes.
00:51:13.64
Luke
He had emotion.
00:51:13.86
James
yeah
00:51:15.20
Luke
There was some emotion in there.
00:51:16.48
James
oh How's that? And then he goes, yeah!
00:51:21.68
Luke
it bloods all over his face just because it's green slime though it's fine it's not actual blood you know
00:51:27.36
James
I was the bug that was like, maybe we can communicate with the humans. maybe we can Maybe we can talk to them and we don't have to launch asteroids at their planet. We can just we can just talk to the humans. i I feel like they're capable of communication. They're not just they're not just mindless creatures.
00:51:47.70
Ryan Baron North
So you'd you'd be this bug going, look, you're all fucking Nazis, all right?
00:51:51.19
Luke
hahahaha
00:51:51.88
Ryan Baron North
ah
00:51:55.19
Ryan Baron North
We need to talk to these guys.
00:51:55.25
James
You guys don't even have-
00:51:59.61
Ryan Baron North
All right, I want to be an artist, but you're pushing me through bug school. And now I got to enlist.
00:52:10.08
Ryan Baron North
Solid. Solid. Yeah. not And so for me, ah the I've already been here, done that. um as Yes, so I would just go off of you know what's happened to me. i would I'd score straight 90s across the board. um But I'd come from not what they're looking for. And so I'd get tossed into a middle intelligence job. um I'd probably wind up as some sort of I don't know.
00:52:40.54
Ryan Baron North
i'd I'd be writing the fucking plans for one of these fucking ships, you know, pissed off as hell.
00:52:47.11
Luke
Nope.
00:52:47.76
James
You do it youd do a doogie howser where, you know, he, it's like, we follow Rico.
00:52:50.31
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:52:53.82
James
He's our main character and it and it shows like his glorious triumph and stuff. But you learn that the people who are giving him his commands don't actually care about him as a person, even as close friends. And and that's kind of the reality of the society, right?
00:53:03.96
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:53:07.46
Ryan Baron North
Mm hmm.
00:53:09.56
James
And then in the end, they all cheer for him anyway, right?
00:53:12.36
Ryan Baron North
yeah
00:53:12.75
James
They all cheer for him anyway.
00:53:13.25
Ryan Baron North
yeah
00:53:14.29
James
Rico's like, we're good friends, right? He's like, yep.
00:53:18.27
Luke
Yep, we're still friends.
00:53:18.38
Ryan Baron North
yeah
00:53:18.62
James
ah so
00:53:19.26
Ryan Baron North
yeah yeah yeah um yeah and i'd wind up in one of these uh um higher intelligence positions but the whole time i'd be like yo make me fucking denise richards or make me fucking rico all right just just pick a goddamn lane um and you know then the ship would explode Yeah.
00:53:42.77
Ryan Baron North
And my corpse is floating through space with his arms crossed around his chest going god fucking damn it I joined so my wife could have health care and this is this is this is what I get ah I Hate this society I say as I fly into the dark As I float off into space I never agreed with any of this And
00:53:58.17
James
You know, ah you know yeah it was interesting that, you know, I forgot about the premise of this was also we could inject drugs or alcohol into the story.
00:54:00.56
Luke
I joined for the sports car. I stayed for the health insurance.
00:54:17.15
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:54:18.15
Luke
ah oh
00:54:18.20
James
I forgot about that.
00:54:18.28
Ryan Baron North
Oh yeah. that That would, that would change some shit too. Please go on.
00:54:22.36
James
it remind It reminds me of the actual Nazis. Do you guys know about panzer chocolate?
00:54:29.58
Luke
Uh-uh.
00:54:29.54
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
00:54:30.84
James
You don't guys don't know about, you don't, okay, so pans or chocolate was something that the Nazis gave their tank crews, their pans or tanks, or I think it was pans or chocolate, I think that's what it was.
00:54:32.11
Luke
I do not.
00:54:43.96
James
But they gave them they gave them this chocolate that was laced with amphetamines. So they were they were dosing they were dosing the Nazis with amphetamines to keep them like, ah stimulants, to keep them awake and like aggressive.
00:55:00.02
James
And you know what happens to people who are like meth addicts and stuff. it's ah that's If this movie was more realistic, i don't I don't think he could have put a movie out where everyone's like, where where he achieved his goal while everyone is on meth.
00:55:13.48
James
But that would be like the that would be what it really is to where people are shooting up like combat drugs.
00:55:14.11
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:55:19.96
James
That would be the reality. And in the book, they have like exosuits and shit. They have like mech suits. and and a lot more shit in the book that was way more hard sci-fi.
00:55:30.94
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, yeah. um Well, yeah, then for me, you know, if we're gonna insert drugs and alcohol into it, um you know, I would have, yeah.
00:55:42.85
Ryan Baron North
I would have one of those positions. I think eventually I would be deployed, um but more of a um a planner in the deployed environment. And I would be just so fucking over it, um but with a general charisma that allows me to maintain my rank.
00:56:05.83
Ryan Baron North
um that yo, we got to go talk to the drunk up there before we can move. And it would just be yeah, there, there'd be no waiting for the battle to be over before we cracked out the booze.
00:56:17.54
Ryan Baron North
We'd be running into battle drunk as fuck. um Yeah, and I'd be like, hey, guys, we're all gonna die.
00:56:20.75
James
Yeah.
00:56:25.52
Ryan Baron North
Let's take some shots.
00:56:28.73
James
Get ahold of yourself, sir.
00:56:31.21
Ryan Baron North
And I'd be like, uh, no. And i I'd be like, yo, hold this dude down for a keg stand. Your NCO commands it.
00:56:40.81
Luke
Yes.
00:56:42.08
James
i've been I've been field promoted four times because all my superior, directly superior officers keep dying for some reason.
00:56:52.42
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, it's wild. um So here I am. Drink, bitch. but and And that would be it. we we would have so But eventually, these people would like gather around me, realize that there's another way.
00:57:06.60
Ryan Baron North
And there would be a unit of just essentially sorority and frat guys cruising the battlefields.
00:57:14.70
James
their headquarters would be would be the co-ed showers.
00:57:18.52
Ryan Baron North
We chill in the co-ed showers. But yo, if you slap a bare ass and it's not fucking ah mutual, we're going to have some fucking issues. All right. um If Rico done, we have an HR department and my HR department has been given sidearms and they'll just fucking shoot you.
00:57:29.76
Luke
There is an HR department, all right? Yeah.
00:57:37.71
Ryan Baron North
All right.
00:57:38.86
James
The guy with the whip is in our crew.
00:57:40.90
Luke
yeah Yeah, you're a citizen, all right? Yeah.
00:57:44.06
Ryan Baron North
Yeah. uh-huh so we're gonna have co-ed showers and we're gonna fucking live in them but if there's any fucking business that I don't approve of like
00:57:50.08
James
this is just This is just the Nazi command. Just the Nazi command.
00:57:55.92
Ryan Baron North
if you don't want to be in the shower this probably isn't the unit for you and I accept that that's totally I understand this my lifestyle isn't for everyone
00:58:04.98
Luke
This is just what we do here.
00:58:06.64
Ryan Baron North
This is what we do.
00:58:07.92
James
all all the All the sex with hard bodies.
00:58:08.04
Ryan Baron North
And if there's any grab ass that isn't mutual, yeah, it's just a bunch of abs and alcohol and co-ed showering and fucking mutual sex.
00:58:21.68
Ryan Baron North
that's
00:58:21.78
James
All the sex, all the sex we don't wanna have but we have to.
00:58:25.44
Ryan Baron North
All the consensual sex that we don't want to have. Uh, like yeah, if you grab Rico's ass and he's not into it, um, you're going to be talking to my HR. Um, and you don't want to talk to my HR.
00:58:40.46
Ryan Baron North
Oh shit.
00:58:41.56
Luke
And then by talking, I mean begging for your life.
00:58:44.02
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, we're not gonna listen to the begging. We're not we're not about that. We're not fucking monsters All right, um and we're not gonna whip you or anything like that is just hey, you know, you didn't make the cut I'm sorry yeah We got a thing going on here What you're not into consensual sex you fucking pussy
00:58:48.96
Luke
okay
00:58:57.40
Luke
All right, time to go down, wash out lane, pussy. Yeah. you
00:59:07.88
James
Thanks.
00:59:10.08
Ryan Baron North
It would be a bunch of that kind of thing yeah like Wait, whoa, we're all about consensual sex and freedom of thought here um And you're just not fit in the bill kill him if Yeah, it'd be it'd be wild
00:59:18.85
Luke
hahaha
00:59:26.92
Luke
In all honesty, if the alcohol was there too, let's be honest, that whole unit, Rico's unit, they would be fucking all alcohol. He would have been, and by 28 already, just a complete alcoholic.
00:59:40.63
Ryan Baron North
Oh, without a doubt.
00:59:40.94
Luke
The shit he had seen, like all that, he would have been. He would have been out of control already. If that was if it was real and alcohol was in this world, yeah.
00:59:49.19
Ryan Baron North
Well, and then that's the thing I find is that those people who start to drift towards, uh, the Nazism, they have this concept of this is how life should be. And then they, they medicate with drugs and alcohol to escape the universe that they created for themselves.
01:00:06.46
Luke
Oh yeah. And to accept the shit they're doing.
01:00:07.77
Ryan Baron North
Meanwhile. Yeah.
01:00:09.74
James
But that's how it's supposed to be too. You drink to get away from it.
01:00:11.42
Luke
Yeah.
01:00:11.84
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
01:00:11.94
James
That's the way it works.
01:00:12.30
Luke
Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:13.17
Ryan Baron North
No. Meanwhile, over here in hot, sexy Ryan unit, um we're doing drugs and alcohol to fucking juice the love making to fucking party.
01:00:18.44
Luke
It's a party. What? Yeah.
01:00:26.88
Ryan Baron North
ah
01:00:27.06
James
This is Ryan's Reveler, sir.
01:00:28.38
Luke
Yeah.
01:00:29.56
James
yeah
01:00:29.98
Ryan Baron North
i Then I just rolled up like, yo, dude, we we we don't do that.
01:00:32.44
Luke
what what What was his intro? He's like, everyone will fight. No one will run. Everyone will do the rest. And Ryan's it's like, everyone will fuck.
01:00:43.86
James
Oh, you want to!
01:00:44.42
Ryan Baron North
yeah
01:00:45.92
Luke
Only if they want to.
01:00:46.23
Ryan Baron North
If they want to.
01:00:49.15
Luke
Everyone will drink. to.
01:00:52.02
Ryan Baron North
yeah
01:00:54.71
Ryan Baron North
If they want to.
01:00:56.08
Luke
it would yeah
01:00:58.33
James
We run every day at 8 a.m.
01:00:58.64
Ryan Baron North
and ah yeah That's a must.
01:01:03.15
Luke
That's a must.
01:01:06.14
Ryan Baron North
That's a hard line. That's a hard line. We got a lot of abs.
01:01:09.12
James
You keep the cardio up. You keep the cardio up.
01:01:10.98
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, we got a lot of abs in this co-ed shower.
01:01:13.65
Luke
The abs are required and for the showering time.
01:01:16.62
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, yeah, you you're gonna need andre we're gonna need to count them 1 2 3 4 going down and then 1 2 3 4 going back up the other side um If you can't do that um Yeah, you might be better off in another unit Yeah ah yeah So much come
01:01:17.13
Luke
so
01:01:20.96
Luke
it the
01:01:30.23
Luke
Again, this is not the unit for you.
01:01:32.82
James
Need well-defined gutters for the cum to flow through.
01:01:35.28
Luke
you Oh god, he's got kungunners.
01:01:41.35
James
but
01:01:42.06
Ryan Baron North
You need cum gutters in this place.
01:01:46.67
Ryan Baron North
He's the first commanding officer that approached me shirtless. And then he like adjusted so the sun hit the shadows, right?
01:01:52.69
Luke
Oh fuck.
01:01:59.04
Ryan Baron North
Everyone's so oiled here.
01:02:02.85
Luke
Why is everyone always on?
01:02:02.84
Ryan Baron North
When was the last time you guys engaged in combat?
01:02:05.71
Luke
you
01:02:05.85
Ryan Baron North
ah It's been about four months.
01:02:07.22
Luke
you Oh yeah, that war's still going on, isn't it?
01:02:10.96
Ryan Baron North
oh shit
01:02:11.13
Luke
Shit. Hey guys, but's say let's let's roll out.
01:02:12.88
James
but
01:02:15.56
Luke
We gotta fucking do something.
01:02:17.17
Ryan Baron North
ah Let's go set up a shower over there.
01:02:19.66
Luke
Immediately dies. They're in a ship, having sex, in the showers, and the fireball comes out, just like you're obliterating.
01:02:24.16
James
ah
01:02:27.98
James
Honestly, honestly just as meaningful a death as anyone who died on that planet.
01:02:32.20
Luke
yeah
01:02:33.32
James
Just as meaningful.
01:02:33.80
Ryan Baron North
Agreed.
01:02:34.50
Luke
if If we were in the, if it was the movie and we were the central characters, it would have been like a montage of us three dying. So it would have been James getting shot in the eye.
01:02:40.69
Ryan Baron North
ah yeah
01:02:43.02
Luke
It would have been them all having sex and it would have been me cutting that guy's hair, talking about I.T.
01:02:44.22
James
but
01:02:47.69
Luke
and all. And then at once it would have been us just all getting blown up.
01:02:48.14
James
ah
01:02:50.61
Luke
Just like a montage. Yeah. And James getting shot in the eye. present
01:02:56.36
Ryan Baron North
yeah and the Nazis would have cheered.
01:02:57.46
Luke
yeah
01:02:59.02
James
yeah yeah then the nasys che
01:03:01.25
Ryan Baron North
yeah they're Like finally, but they were, yeah because I mean, like he was trimming hair and he was a little too concerned about this space gossip.
01:03:02.92
Luke
if
01:03:13.58
Luke
Oh god, fuck. And that's how it comes full circle.
01:03:16.82
Ryan Baron North
not It comes right back around. Holy these shit. so um So now that we're coming to the end, do we have any quick fire thoughts?
01:03:25.22
James
Yeah, then the Nazis cheer.
01:03:27.94
Ryan Baron North
um So if you got some notes, get them out.
01:03:32.98
James
are you looking are you me i didn't know if if luke you's been going first okay
01:03:33.23
Ryan Baron North
What do you got? James, what do you got?
01:03:36.86
Luke
uh i well the only the only thought i really just need to say and make sure is it was it's absolutely ridiculous for not only this movie but just in the 90s in general for them to ever think that these 35 year old people could get away with looking 18 okay like or even younger and I like I'm watching it and I'm like some of them do pass I'll admit I can you know but Luke specifically was a 30 year old man minimum I was literally like he's looking at his dad it's like yeah like that is they look like the age of his dad looks 60 and Luke's 30 years old except they're playing 40 and fucking 18 somehow it's just oh I don't know how they thought that was a normal thing to do
01:03:56.52
James
Are you looking at me? I didn't know if, if Luke has been going first.
01:04:01.36
Ryan Baron North
35 minimum dude
01:04:02.96
James
Okay.
01:04:19.23
Ryan Baron North
cleft chins don't develop that young
01:04:20.98
Luke
he said You cannot have, yeah, I'm 18 watching that movie being like, fuck, well I don't look like Donnie Rico, I'm a fucking pussy, damn. Like, how do I not have a jawline like that? It's like, yeah, you're fucking actually 18, dude.
01:04:32.66
Ryan Baron North
Because you're 18, homie.
01:04:33.88
Luke
yeah Yeah, you're actually 18.
01:04:35.36
James
cat Casper Van Deen lost 15 pounds of fat. I'm sorry, lost 10 pounds of fat and gained 15 pounds of muscle for this role.
01:04:46.06
Ryan Baron North
And it worked.
01:04:46.19
Luke
Really?
01:04:46.16
James
From what he was in in so when he was doing, so from what he was doing soap operas, yes. Yeah.
01:04:50.79
Luke
Wow.
01:04:51.96
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, no, because every 18 year old has been just fucking horking down protein like a pelican.
01:04:52.26
James
yeah
01:04:58.58
Luke
Was his name Juan Rico?
01:05:02.35
James
What?
01:05:02.42
Ryan Baron North
Well, he's in Argentina.
01:05:03.04
Luke
No. Oh, it says...
01:05:04.40
James
Oh, you're looking up the you're looking up the character's name in the original, in the book. It was revealed right at the end that he was Filipino to kind of like assuage, like to say, oh no, it's not right.
01:05:08.44
Luke
and
01:05:14.86
James
We're not Nazi. It's not racism.
01:05:15.94
Luke
Oh, yeah, okay, sure, whatever you say.
01:05:16.24
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
01:05:19.65
James
everything It's just everything is Nazi except for the racism.
01:05:20.67
Ryan Baron North
Good old Juan Rico.
01:05:24.69
Luke
A white guy with blonde hair, blonde hair, blue eyes named Luke living in Argentina.
01:05:25.18
James
We don't have.
01:05:31.04
Luke
Yep.
01:05:31.12
James
That's not, that's not how he was described in the book. They didn't describe his features and they just were, yeah.
01:05:34.77
Luke
Oh, so yeah, so he was the director really taking that's all like the director and his vision.
01:05:39.71
James
Yeah. The director was saying, I'm going to make it clearly clear that these are Nazis, you know?
01:05:43.08
Luke
yeah yeah yeah and even then they didn't for the society didn't fucking get it at the time
01:05:45.19
Ryan Baron North
Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:48.92
James
Ah, so frustrating.
01:05:51.18
Ryan Baron North
Do I still know people who look at this as a triumph of just patriotism and shit like that? and Yeah.
01:06:01.00
James
ah they're They don't understand their Nazis. that's that's su That's what the satire is making fun of.
01:06:04.54
Ryan Baron North
yeah Yeah, that opening scene where they're just showing the troops going to the the elementary schools and then the kids fighting over a gun and but like But we are every election cycle though we have fucking pictures like that I
01:06:14.15
James
ah yeah
01:06:16.84
Luke
Yeah.
01:06:16.98
James
yeah Stomping on the on the bugs.
01:06:19.40
Luke
Oh yeah! They literally say, you can touch it.
01:06:20.94
James
ah Yeah.
01:06:22.23
Luke
What?
01:06:29.84
James
Yeah, they love it.
01:06:30.48
Ryan Baron North
um my god and
01:06:31.94
James
i like My opening note is that this is brilliant filmmaking.
01:06:32.04
Luke
but
01:06:36.11
James
You learn so much from the opening scene where it's clearly an info terminal of some sort. We don't get any more information about that. And it starts with a nationalistic commercial, followed by a quick exposition to put us in media race at the at the big bug planet.
01:06:51.58
James
and the threat that the bugs present, then a gruesome uncensored depiction of war. And then you step into a scene with teenagers who have grown up with this kind of propaganda, and they just have their teacher talking ah like a history course about civil service.
01:07:08.92
Ryan Baron North
Mm-hmm.
01:07:09.12
James
and And the teacher didn't, yeah, the teacher didn't have to shove the propaganda in his face.
01:07:10.29
Ryan Baron North
Do you believe it?
01:07:15.77
James
The propaganda was everywhere already.
01:07:17.79
Ryan Baron North
Mm-hmm.
01:07:19.54
Luke
Well, even the even the teacher does say, he's like, I'm not, you need to make your own decisions. I'm not here to, I'm just here to give information.
01:07:25.36
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
01:07:26.31
Luke
Like, cause it's already, like, he he knows it's already everywhere.
01:07:26.54
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, it- Yeah.
01:07:29.71
Luke
He's like, but I'm just here to give you the actual facts and this is what it's like.
01:07:30.22
James
Yeah.
01:07:33.54
Luke
You know, he does sell it, let's be honest. But like, he does kind of say, yeah, no, that's your decision, but I ain't telling you shit. like
01:07:40.50
Ryan Baron North
yeah Yeah, I'm not gonna be liable for your life spiraling into Nazis Yeah, well ah so so James what else do you have in your quickfire?
01:07:42.96
Luke
but yeah Legally, I can't tell you what to do, but but Joy.
01:07:53.75
James
Let's see.
01:07:57.00
James
Nowadays, that lab teacher, do you remember that lab teacher with the goggles?
01:08:00.38
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, uh-huh Yep, ye yep, yep
01:08:01.35
James
She'd be played by Kate McKinnon in a remake. Kate McKinnon, Saturday Night Live, The Blonde, who's fucking crazy. It'd be played by her, pretty sure. This movie thought 90's synth pop was the future of music.
01:08:13.58
James
i
01:08:13.81
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, we dodged that.
01:08:16.86
James
ah Just barely.
01:08:18.44
Ryan Baron North
Well, we realized that Scott Stapp was an asshole, so.
01:08:23.04
James
we the The would you like to know more is so impersonal and repetitive, almost like what we're dealing with when we use AI chat bots and stuff.
01:08:31.63
Ryan Baron North
Yep.
01:08:33.06
James
I kind of felt like that in personality.
01:08:37.90
James
i have It's been a lighthearted romp for our main characters up to this point. I'm sure it will continue. ah
01:08:44.39
Luke
ah
01:08:46.48
James
I said things started to get surreal around the laser tag portion, ah kind of of kind of like almost Rambo 2 over the top, ah you know kind of nonsense nonsense tactics, you know just just people screaming at each other and being like, yeah, yeah, playing war, right?
01:08:54.33
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
01:08:59.96
Luke
And Ravi in India. Yeah. yeah
01:09:03.62
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, yeah.
01:09:04.17
James
um It reminded me of Total Recall there.
01:09:08.55
James
How was this computer not able to do math better than Denise Richards? um
01:09:16.66
James
Uh, we saw, uh, for the, um, for when he said, you know, uh, kill them all, uh, or, or oh the only good bug is a dead bug. I've got, you know, we saw the same kind of hatred, uh, after nine 11 and there's, you can even draw a really direct parallel to Israel and Palestine right now where, where the sentiment is like, I'm from an injured party and I say, kill them all.
01:09:29.59
Ryan Baron North
oh
01:09:39.30
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
01:09:39.89
James
You know, with.
01:09:40.13
Luke
Yeah, I get but almost blinded by rage, kind of that like like, geez, like don't get me wrong. like That is bad, but it's not. You can't put a blanketed statement over an entire like culture or species because of that.
01:09:48.84
Ryan Baron North
Yeah. Yeah, for every Yeah, for every group, you have a fucking million people who are just trying to live their fucking lives.
01:10:01.60
Ryan Baron North
ah
01:10:01.79
Luke
Yeah, there's like, there's probably 10,000 people that are fucking just controlling everything and then billions that are all just trying to fucking live their lives and it's just yeah like, what the fuck?
01:10:10.02
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, like dude, I just want to live.
01:10:11.70
Luke
Why are we all being pitted against it? What is happening? This is just not this difficult. What the fuck?
01:10:16.94
James
the society was built for one thing. And you know, ah Paul Verhoeven really, yeah I think the reason people you know who like this movie don't reel it, you know, not for the satire, that they take it at face face value and they like it is that our society kind of reflects this shit, you know?
01:10:33.98
James
And they're like, how can that be bad?
01:10:34.22
Ryan Baron North
The only thing that got wrong was the arena football.
01:10:35.82
James
That's what our society is. ah yeah They tried arena football in the 2000s. I mean, they you did he did see it coming.
01:10:40.51
Ryan Baron North
And it didn't work. It didn't work.
01:10:42.46
Luke
I mean there's still, it's around still, there's still some arena football teams and shit, so.
01:10:48.06
James
It's fucking wild.
01:10:49.18
Luke
but
01:10:49.63
James
um Let's see. ah
01:10:53.57
James
Let's see, hold on, hold on. I had another note. Oh, Rico, you know what to do that his that his captain says, the the the teacher from the beginning, after he got his leg shined up, he's like, Rico, you know what to do. And he pulls out his gun. I was waiting for him to be like, no, no, no, I mean, give me a medic. Remember that tank? Remember that tank you were in?
01:11:13.89
Ryan Baron North
ah
01:11:13.95
James
I mean, give me a medic, just give me all the shit.
01:11:19.04
Ryan Baron North
um yeah Yeah, I thought he was quoting the the end of Heya where he's like, you know what to do. That's what I thought he was.
01:11:27.34
James
but
01:11:27.51
Ryan Baron North
He was just yeah was just delirious in quoting OutKast.
01:11:28.89
James
In his final moments.
01:11:32.08
Ryan Baron North
That's what I thought.
01:11:33.100
Luke
One thing I thought was
01:11:35.52
Ryan Baron North
In his final moments,
01:11:36.04
Luke
One thing I thought was was funny in in the in the movie was when like it was, what's what's a Neil Patrick? Oh, Carl Jenkins. He he shows like a demonstration of shooting a bug, and he's like, just shoot them at the stem, and it kills them.
01:11:49.28
Luke
He should just, brrr, dead. The bug is pretty much dead. Every bug that they try to shoot, it's like five of them just clipped, brrr.
01:11:57.40
Ryan Baron North
but Yeah.
01:11:59.14
Luke
I'm like shoot the Carl Jenkins said shoot the stem. What are you guys doing for the love of God? Just shoot the stem. It's not that hard. I was losing my mind yeah Same in hell divers coincidence.
01:12:08.45
James
Also, it's it's very clear from people in the field that shotguns are far more effective. Why doesn't everyone have shotguns?
01:12:15.46
Ryan Baron North
Yes.
01:12:18.93
Luke
I think not
01:12:21.100
James
Very clearly, shotguns are better.
01:12:24.82
Ryan Baron North
Yes.
01:12:25.18
Luke
Yeah, I was literally, I just, I was so confused as to why it like it took five of them, but also those clips were crazy. I don't know what, if they were wrapped, like what was going on, but they were, a lot of rounds were coming out.
01:12:37.06
Ryan Baron North
And that's what it was.
01:12:38.83
Luke
Cause that, that one scene, he's just like,
01:12:40.36
Ryan Baron North
Vierhoven was actually getting money from Mossberg to promote shotguns.
01:12:49.81
Luke
sco Ouch! Just, I mean, I was like, did that's an endless clip of shotgun rounds. It was, I was so...
01:12:55.78
Ryan Baron North
And he just looks at the camera. This was from the fine folks at Mossberg.
01:12:59.14
Luke
Yeah,
01:13:00.99
James
And also you couldn't imagine like a semiotic non-pump shotgun, like come on.
01:13:07.72
Ryan Baron North
Right? Well, like it's still World War One trenches.
01:13:10.23
Luke
yeah what the fuck? They were like, yeah, effective.
01:13:12.68
James
Couldn't even imagine that a shotgun you can just go, not even in the future.
01:13:15.98
Luke
if Yeah, they don't even have semi-auto.
01:13:17.37
Ryan Baron North
Nope. Nope.
01:13:19.73
Luke
Not only is not automatic, they don't even have semi-auto shotguns at this point.
01:13:23.40
Ryan Baron North
You gotta pump this bitch.
01:13:24.66
Luke
sent
01:13:25.83
James
Fucking ridiculous.
01:13:26.41
Ryan Baron North
Oh, God. Well, and and so for me, the so the final notes I had was, let's see here. ah Yeah, I liked that they blended gender into sports and life.
01:13:38.75
Ryan Baron North
However, it's weird that the future is arena football and completely casual sex assault. um Let's see here. um Yeah, these parents are 18 years old, and they they're raising a 35-year-old man.
01:13:53.38
Luke
yeah
01:13:54.93
Ryan Baron North
um Let's see, he did in fact have to be jealous. Let's see here. And then I had Amy Smart is in this.
01:14:07.05
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, and that those were the subtler, the subtler notes.
01:14:11.81
Luke
take The
01:14:12.50
Ryan Baron North
The subtler takeaways. Amy Smart is in this.
01:14:15.82
James
um got some I got some quick quotes ah from people who criticized and liked this movie that I think we should probably, they echo ours.
01:14:23.80
Ryan Baron North
Oh.
01:14:26.84
James
um You know, ah says Barardinelli and Maslin praise the tension scale and impressive visuals in which Fairhoven revels in the contrast between his character's earnestness and the violin and gory imagery, ah but others like Siskel by Ebert, by robert Roger Ebert ah wrote that scene script
01:14:44.05
Ryan Baron North
We killed the other one, yeah.
01:14:45.97
James
he He wrote that the scenes grew tiresome because the alien creatures had no personality, lacked any cultural discernible link culture or discernible language which rendered them ideologically boring ciphers inhabiting uninteresting planets.
01:15:00.57
James
You know, I want to i think I'm gonna have to ah take a shot at Roger Ebert here.
01:15:06.46
Ryan Baron North
You didn't get it.
01:15:06.84
James
And umm I'm thinking he didn't get that the point of the bugs was to make them so that we had to consider them totally as a blank slate.
01:15:18.04
James
We didn't make them empathetic. And what we made was that our our ah us and our analogues in the film, the Rico and our our you know humans, to be totally ignorant and watch the solutions that they come to when they're ignorant.
01:15:35.80
Luke
And there was only, and the only one time you saw the emotion was that the when you saw the bug's eye and the the brain bug.
01:15:35.90
Ryan Baron North
well and We'll Well, and i so I literally have a degree in cultural anthropology.
01:15:42.44
Luke
Those are the only two times that you even see at all that the bug, and that's, like you said, I think the point, that's what they're trying to do. they're It's like, yeah, they're trying to portray that because it's a fucking propaganda film.
01:15:52.90
James
Yeah.
01:15:56.30
Ryan Baron North
And what if this particular species had derived meaning in the worlds they inhabited? What if they felt that it was made this way for a reason, and there's beauty in that, but because it doesn't conform to fucking Ebert's thoughts on a society, it's wrong.
01:16:19.70
Ryan Baron North
Which leads me to believe, and you heard it here first, High and Dry Podcast, um he's a Nazi.
01:16:23.56
Luke
yeah but
01:16:26.50
James
Ah, I agree. Roger Ebert is a Nazi.
01:16:29.24
Luke
On the explanation.
01:16:31.80
Ryan Baron North
Yep, there you go, there you have it.
01:16:33.74
James
that They were just trying to visit us. the the These aliens, these bugs, travel via meteor. Like that's how they get from planet to planet is they get on the meteor and the meteor gets launched.
01:16:45.49
James
We don't know how they do it.
01:16:46.61
Luke
They might have, all yeah, maybe that first meteor was going to land softly, like that we don't know that, but we just blew it up.
01:16:47.25
James
yeah
01:16:52.44
Luke
We just shred out and they're like, all right, Ben, I guess we're going to war with them. and We don't want to, but you just blew up, ah you know, 10,000 of our visitors who were just going to come over to share our technology with you.
01:16:56.50
Ryan Baron North
All right, fine.
01:16:56.84
James
ha yeah No,
01:17:04.48
Luke
You know, like, you don't know. These meteors are super advanced tech technologically. You think they're just meteors, but like, They have landing systems. they're they're just they They just use gravity to get through space efficiently.
01:17:13.99
James
it's all
01:17:17.69
Luke
We don't have to use any fuel, nothing. It just travels a bit like...
01:17:19.74
Ryan Baron North
Dude, that is so fucking wild because you have a species that has literally adapted for interstellar travel of their own volition.
01:17:24.04
James
it's
01:17:30.02
James
That's all.
01:17:31.52
Ryan Baron North
And we in the very beginning, we have a woman who's like saying, yo, it's that you don't understand how fucking incredible that is.
01:17:31.82
James
Yeah.
01:17:40.90
Ryan Baron North
But because I look kind of weird, you're not going to listen to me. I'm just a fucking biology teacher that you blow off.
01:17:45.61
Luke
Yeah, unfortunately, I'm not Captain Carmen.
01:17:48.73
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, I don't look sexy, so you're not gonna listen to me. um But yo, there's a species out there that we've discovered who's evolved to leave their own planet.
01:17:59.49
James
Yeah, and they they're able to they're able to do math to target our planet from across the galaxy with a hurled asteroid.
01:18:00.41
Ryan Baron North
They don't need NASA, they just like, let's go.
01:18:15.85
James
that's like you're You're telling me that the bug that can do that math isn't smart?
01:18:21.90
Ryan Baron North
He definitely scored more than a 97 on that test.
01:18:25.20
James
yeah
01:18:28.50
James
Rico's a dumb piece of shit.
01:18:29.02
Luke
Well, and for sure, higher than a 39.
01:18:32.38
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, without a doubt.
01:18:32.60
James
Yeah.
01:18:35.27
Ryan Baron North
But no, but Rico's got that fucking cleft in.
01:18:35.78
James
Diz, we couldn't even do math, Diz.
01:18:40.14
Ryan Baron North
The bugs are like, Diz, we would treat you so much better.
01:18:46.39
Ryan Baron North
You got fuckin' rockin' tits and an amazing mind. And that's a direct quote from the books.
01:18:57.84
James
ah You know, and another another quote quote here was even from the person who praised it. Barran Adelie said, audience would quickly become desensitized to the extreme gore. Yes, they would.
01:19:08.79
Ryan Baron North
Yes!
01:19:12.25
James
They would.
01:19:12.30
Ryan Baron North
That's the point!
01:19:13.83
Luke
ah
01:19:14.16
Ryan Baron North
Ah, you fuckin' jackasses.
01:19:15.11
Luke
Wow!
01:19:16.74
James
God damn it, guys.
01:19:20.64
Luke
it's It's worrisome when you read those comments like that. You're like, oh no, please don't tell me.
01:19:25.71
Ryan Baron North
That was the fucking boat. No, but what's more worrisome is that it comes from a place that we're that we in the the entertainment side of our culture look to for like a ah forefront of starting the conversation.
01:19:41.38
James
Yeah, interpretation, a a real interpretation, an expert interpretation of what this movie.
01:19:47.44
Ryan Baron North
And he fucking missed the mark.
01:19:49.38
James
ah Bumbled it, fumbled it fucking hard.
01:19:50.21
Luke
Ha ha ha ha.
01:19:53.18
Ryan Baron North
Oh my god. Dropped it like the fucking one dude did in arena football in that first scene. Oh god.
01:20:02.32
James
dropped Dropped it like that ah that that farm boy did right on the pavement.
01:20:09.71
Luke
yeah
01:20:09.73
Ryan Baron North
No, it's terrible.
01:20:10.73
James
Bullet through the face.
01:20:10.81
Ryan Baron North
It's terrible.
01:20:12.83
James
um The writer, oh, sorry. So some people consider FedNet to be prescient of the increasing prominent of prominence of fake news with stories that that those in positions of power want the populace to see emphasizing patriotism and duty while offering an illusion of choice and enlightenment by asking, would you like to know more?
01:20:38.66
James
essentially Essentially, it's like, do your own research today.
01:20:42.30
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, yeah.
01:20:42.33
James
And then presenting a bunch of other articles like, do your own research. Here's all the articles that I consider research.
01:20:47.12
Ryan Baron North
Here's all the articles you need for that research.
01:20:49.97
Luke
Which is, yeah, like obviously, not, it's really influencing people to think, what do you think?
01:20:50.42
James
Yeah.
01:20:51.59
Ryan Baron North
Yeah.
01:20:56.52
James
Yeah.
01:20:57.28
Luke
Yeah.
01:20:57.26
Ryan Baron North
It's a feel that they came to the conclusion on their own.
01:20:59.88
Luke
Yeah, yeah.
01:21:00.12
James
It's the illusion of of choice and enlightenment.
01:21:03.17
Luke
Very manipulative.
01:21:05.25
Ryan Baron North
Yes, fucking Doogie Howser.
01:21:06.10
Luke
Very fucking doobie-housing.
01:21:08.74
James
God damn it.
01:21:11.07
Ryan Baron North
God damn it, Doogie.
01:21:11.79
James
That's all the notes I got.
01:21:14.05
Ryan Baron North
All right, well, with that being said, we got our notes out there. um Yeah, yeah.
01:21:20.28
James
Watch this movie. Everybody watch this movie.
01:21:22.25
Luke
Yeah, for real. Genuinely.
01:21:23.71
James
Remember, the look at it like Nazi propaganda film.
01:21:23.96
Luke
Yeah.
01:21:24.10
Ryan Baron North
Watch the movie, and if you're watching the thing and you get to the end and you're just like, fuck yeah. Maybe take a look at yourself. um
01:21:34.38
James
Yeah, if you if you cheer when he says it's afraid,
01:21:34.98
Luke
and
01:21:38.96
James
Time to get a beer.
01:21:40.11
Luke
Yeah, that's not a good thing. You you you need to...
01:21:42.30
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, that's that's really that. Oh, yeah. No, and that like I remember the first time I ever saw this movie and he says it's afraid. And the way it was like sort of cowering and like scuttling.
01:21:56.00
Ryan Baron North
I I felt heartbroken for that instant.
01:21:58.38
Luke
Yeah!
01:21:59.93
Ryan Baron North
And then they were all cheering.
01:22:00.45
James
I don't know if I did. I don't know if I did. I might have cheered along at the beginning.
01:22:04.50
Ryan Baron North
I do remember that very. so So for me, when I was young and I saw it, um I in my brain immediately saw these scenes, because I wasn't watching at all.
01:22:16.11
Ryan Baron North
I was just in and out. um But I saw I were I distinctly remember that bug scene. And my brain just took it as I don't agree with this film. um Because I didn't I, I didn't have the sense of like, they're making a statement.
01:22:28.58
James
Rise.
01:22:31.41
Ryan Baron North
I just thought that this is what this movie is about.
01:22:31.64
Luke
Yeah.
01:22:33.70
Ryan Baron North
And I was like, I
01:22:34.16
Luke
Yeah, like them just fucking killing like these sad bugs.
01:22:36.60
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, I didn't, I didn't like that as a young person.
01:22:37.39
Luke
Yeah.
01:22:39.79
Ryan Baron North
I just like, no, that's not, I don't like that. So you guys do you. And I wandered off this way and, you know, started doing my own thing. Um, not realizing that there's things of satire yet.
01:22:51.26
Ryan Baron North
I just didn't like that that bug was scared. Um,
01:22:54.29
James
Well, most people didn't get it, so it's not your fault. you Someone should have told you, but we didn't have...
01:23:00.03
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, my parents have been like, no, no, this is satire of an authoritarian far right community that slowly builds into a society and then stretches across the world.
01:23:00.39
James
but but but And then Mike, you in the background going...
01:23:09.04
Luke
Ha ha ha.
01:23:11.23
Ryan Baron North
You understand.
01:23:17.76
Ryan Baron North
I'm like, oh, yeah.
01:23:18.84
James
yeah
01:23:21.00
Ryan Baron North
Yeah, for those of you just joining this show, it comes up a lot. I used to own a parrot named Mikey. But but yeah he would just yell.
01:23:29.69
James
you just yell
01:23:32.00
Ryan Baron North
He'd count to three, too. But he'd count to three. And then, yeah, he'd go back to two. but I meant it as in, you count to three, as well. but So, all right.
01:23:45.51
Ryan Baron North
So, hey, everybody. Thank you so much for joining us.
01:23:49.02
James
You
01:23:49.13
Ryan Baron North
Luke, thank you for coming back on the show.
01:23:51.59
Luke
No problem.
01:23:51.96
Ryan Baron North
It's been awesome. We we need to make this ah
01:23:53.19
Luke
Yeah, thank you for having us. That was a good that was a good one, honestly.
01:23:54.36
James
just
01:23:55.91
Luke
I like the like this format.
01:23:57.58
James
yell.
01:23:57.95
Luke
I like the movies. I enjoy it. I think it's a good good good thing to talk about. I really enjoy just movies and film in general. So any time, I'm down to come.
01:24:06.89
Ryan Baron North
Yeah. Well, hell yeah. No, we'll, uh, Hey, that's i what I was about to say. I'm saying we should make this a regular thing. Um, we're all remote now anyway.
01:24:18.44
Ryan Baron North
So fuck it.
01:24:19.09
James
We're all down to come, is what is like the name of the title is.
01:24:20.60
Luke
yeah demo are damn I was like, I was mouthing it, but I did say pause because that was a bit a bit.
01:24:20.83
Ryan Baron North
Yeah. We're all down.
01:24:28.13
Luke
Yeah.
01:24:28.53
Ryan Baron North
So definitely, folks at home, you guys, work on them cum gutters for the next episode.
01:24:33.99
Luke
yeah To join in on Brian's renegades.
01:24:39.77
Ryan Baron North
it to join
01:24:40.06
James
I'm doing my part.
01:24:41.75
Ryan Baron North
ah doing My price is just fucking dripping.
01:24:44.43
Luke
That's gonna be me doing a core workout tomorrow morning. off I'm doing my part.
01:24:48.27
Ryan Baron North
ah to him ah It's got to collect somewhere. It's got to collect somewhere.
01:24:55.16
Luke
Fuck.
01:24:55.48
Ryan Baron North
All right, there you go, folks. So ah yeah, final message of high and dry. Work on them, cum dumpsters and gutters. um Cheers. Here's to you. Luke, thank you so much. ah Bye.
01:25:05.16
Luke
who
01:25:06.43
James
Join the mobile infantry and save the world.
01:25:09.89
Ryan Baron North
Ryan's Renegades, get them cum gutters.
